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Irish Air Corps / Bad taste

« on: April 30, 2003, 12:26:47 am »

I would just like to bring up the matter of imshi-Yallah's rather distasteful reference regarding the massacre at srebenice, and lets not forget thats what it was a massacre.Being a constant quality contributor of information on this site i was somewhat upset by this remark.i.e."oh well thank allah that Ireland's neutral"unlikely last thought srebenice victim.Let us not forget that it was in fact the dutch who were guarding this town.an army with a far greater numerical and technological advantage to ours.Do not forget the many irish soldiers who fought, and indeed died abroad for no self gain,many a mess of former european colonies was it that depended on our intervention i.e.congo, lebanon(well israel was formed by the british and obviously led to this whole blood bath)and i can certainly say that irish troops would have no doubt fought and died at srebenice had they been present (due to the large opposing force).whereas the dutch commanders drank champagne with gen. Mladic and co.After which Mladic then ridiculed the dutch peacekeepers on television publicly displaying them as cowards.I don't think any of us have ever heard storieds of mick and paddy coming under shell fire in the Leb and saying "f**k this i'm headin' for a beer what bout you Mick?"Our neutralitiy has never questioned our commitement to protecting the weak and i think you're undermining the professionalism of our defence forces in using that quote which can never be questioned,we might not have the most up to date equipment and aviation hardware but our service men and women just get on with it how many times a year do you see them in the paper complaining about pay, conditions equipment etc unlike those feckin guards i think they have their own printing press!!

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Irish Air Corps / Constitutional neglection

« on: December 09, 2003, 06:44:50 pm »

With the current position and operational capabilities of the air corps might the opposition not have a fair case in pursuit of fighter procurement?According to the government on Military.ie the role of the aircorps is described as: "To contribute to the security of the State by providing for the Military Air Defence of its territorial integrity".AIR DEFENCE!Air Defence indeed!So, can anyone explain how such a statement has constantly gone uncondemned before!How can they justify this non- compliance of a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement of its armed forces?Who is in a position to notify the government of our operational status and defence procurement needs?And if the government is oblivious to the fact that the aircorps are certainly not equipped to perform such roles(which is unlikely!) who is responsible for not informing them?A relative of mine is in the Army and according to him the PfP states that by a certain time all member countries have to be able to defend their own territories including sea and air.Anyone have any further info on this?

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Irish Air Corps / Bertie admits Aircorps underequipped!

« on: December 01, 2003, 05:57:00 pm »

The Mig 29 were not retired rather they were kindly donated to the polish airforce FREE of charge.23 single seaters and 4 fulcrum B's.All we had to do was ask for them!

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Irish Air Corps / New Fighters To kickstart economy?

« on: July 22, 2003, 07:29:46 pm »

Just wondering if anyone has an opinion on the purchase of brand spankin' new fightin' tackle(no less than the air corps deserves) best example being Gripen consortium(as they're offset package(which is where this thread will lead) to the tune of about €2.1Billion (which is what either S.africa or hungary were offered for 24 c models and 4 d two seaters with full training ) but were offering an offset package of to the value of about€6 billion??so surely deals like this, although i know a lot of this cash is 'invisible' ,would be worth while for a sleeping economy such as our own in order to kick start it?Granted we have no pure military aerospace company we have got many highly qualified aeronautical engineers currently floating about you would perhaps contribute to a future developement in the founding of such a company.Also we have many electrical industries that could benefit greatly from making of radars etc etc from such a purchase any thoughts gentlemen (or indeed fair ladies)...