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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 24, 2011, 10:56:37 pm »

Do you guys Red Square and Joe (?) have any connection with Air fix
Gnat
(I sting)

Yes, I did the decals for the Hurricane - Joe Maxwell assisted with the research.

I'm still trying to clarify just exactly is supposed to wrong with the scheme.

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 20, 2011, 09:31:39 am »

Dont know why Red Square bumped up this thread, but glad he did.

To clarify just what the supposed mistakes are that Joe and myself made!

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 19, 2011, 02:28:17 pm »

There are clearer pics where 110 would appear to have the No.1 Fighter Squadron badge painted out, which may have been as a consequence of its change of provenance?

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 17, 2011, 09:05:38 pm »

Well Tony, you presented something as being representative and given your expertise on the subject matter it was taken on trust as a starting point - if you have since changed your mind as to its authenticity that's your prerogative - hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It seems to be coming down to a difference in interpretation between yourself and Joe, rather than "lazy" research. I've outlined how the scheme was arrived at, disagree with conclusion by all means, the $64,000 question would be do you have better, clearer port side image of H105 showing the camo pattern different to how we interpreted it? If so we can resolve this once and for all. Similarly, you alluded to a problem with the upper wing markings but have not elaborated any further.

As I said, no slight was ever meant. We had an exchange of emails in which much was alluded to but very little actually surfaced, and then it all went quiet. Artwork was sent to you for your input, nothing ever happened. If we boobed, hands held up, its a fair cop - but it would help fill in the blanks to actually see where you feel we went wrong.

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 17, 2011, 07:59:50 am »

No emails of that type were ever received Tony, nor indeed did you reference to them in your subsequent emails of 14th and 17th February - you did mention problems sending emails on Feb 8th that kept bouncing.

I'm slightly bemused that you seem unsure about what pictures were consulted because you were emailed a photo on Feb 7th of H105 from the famous line up pic. Also the completed (and numbered) layout and decal sheet was emailed on Feb 17th at 20:01 GMT with a view to your feedback, but no more correspondence was ever recieved. I'm still slightly bemused over this port side camouflage issue because you said in you Feb 8th email, quote

I am attaching a picture of H103 which is the artwork of Richard Caruana who completed it from details which I discussed with him some years ago. It is about the nearest to a correct depiction of an Irish Hurricane, not quite but almost. The colour scheme shown would be late 1943. This may be of assistance.

A case of "may be of assistance" but which now may or may not have been absolutely reliable?

As I said, there was nothing "lazy" about the research. Expert opinion was sought and every aspect was carefully weighed based on the evidence to hand, revised and discussed. If there was something we missed - not through a lack of trying or wanting to try - then please do share as it would help in trying to clarify the differences between yours and Joe's conclusions on the scheme.

Many thanks.

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 16, 2011, 10:38:57 pm »

Frank, keep your head down on this one 

Lazy research is the word that I would use ( without the inverted commas) and I would be interested in the composition of the "consensus" If IPMS was involved why did they pass on my name to the person in the UK who contacted me in Jan/Feb 2010 by e mail. As a result I consulted my files and did send details of the camouflage and markings and some scanned pics, time consuming I might add. Now what really pi**es me off is that I never heard a word back to even acknowledge the information.The new found unpublished photos mentioned perhaps were not sufficiently examined and interpreted otherwise the camouflage on the port side would not have been shown thus and the upper wing markings corrected and so on.
Each Hurricane has to be researched as a unit, no Hurricane was finished the same, now that is what I have been doing for the last 30 years.

Regards
Tony K

First up Tony, that was me - a total of four emails from the Feb 7th to Feb 14 during which you only ever sent one image and that was a colour port side view by Richard Caruana which you declared "nearest to a correct depiction of a Hurricane", of which the kit camouflage pattern also concurs (based on the standard RAF pattern). If you did send any more images or information, they never arrived, and despite replying I never heard any more from you so assumed you were unable to assist further.

As it is Joe and some guys from IPMS Ireland stepped in with a pile of info and observations which were then used to build a picture of 105 and work out the various details of the scheme. I discussed with Joe the various interpretations of 105s camo colours and the consensus was that 105 was in DG/OG/MSG.

I'm slightly puzzled why you feel the port side pattern is wrong when it concurs with a reference source you acknowledged as being accurate. As for the upper wing markings, please share - is there something both myself, Joe and others have missed here?

No slight was ever meant Tony, by no means do I doubt the time you have spent researching this subject matter over the years - equally I don't doubt the work Joe has done either, and for whatever reasons why our correspondence didn't bear fruit, Joe was able to supply the information in the time required.

By all means disagree with the results of that research but to call it "lazy", when in fact the efforts and lengths taken were actually quite considerable, is perhaps a touch disingenuous.

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Scale Aircraft Modelling / Re: New Airfix 1/72 Air Corps Hurricane

« on: June 15, 2011, 11:07:39 pm »

Ok, so the Airfix research might have been a bit lazy but here's my two cents; (que music, phil coulter or similar)

As someone who was involved in the "lazy" research that went into the IAC scheme for the kit, I'd be interested to know just what the supposed problems are given that both Joe Maxwell - an acknowledged authority on IAC schemes - and some of the IPMS Ireland guys, were involved at every stage and signed off on the scheme being accurate after some considerable work. In fact Joe produced some hitherto unpublished photos that shed tremendous light on the variations between the various Hurricane's in the famous line-up pic, as well as giving clear details of 105 camouflage pattern.

There has been some disagreement over the colours of 105 in that line up, the overriding consensus was that the scheme was OG/DG/MSG.

If anyone knows different, please share!