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Offline SousaTeuszii

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« on: November 22, 2005, 12:05:36 pm »
Bell is set to be bought out of the AB139 programme by Agusta Westland. What future for the US139? What future for A139 service support now without any American influence?

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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 01:37:24 pm »
Re support without bells help,agusta seem to manage OK on that front with the A109 for example,so should not be an issue,as support for our helis would have been from agusta in Italy anway.Just my take on it. '<img'>

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 03:08:41 pm »
Not a problem.  Writing was on the wall for some time. 139's are selling like hotcakes in the US and they will be manufactured at a plant in Waco, Texas.  US139 is on track to win the LUH competition.  AW is working hard on a full-up military version of the 139 - the A-149, which is what the IAC should get - armor, external fuel/weapons pylons, full NVG, secure comms, self-protection suite, folding rotor for air transport, etc.  Full AW control of the program will make for a better product faster.  Finally, AW and Bell remain in a close relationship, historically and with such products as the BA 609, AB 412, etc.

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 07:57:31 pm »
will it actually be redesignated as A139 will it be AW139 or just keep the name as it is already known!
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 10:20:16 pm »
hi all
Don't forget, the Don has already had a relationship with Agusta because the Marchettis were built and supplied by a subsidiary of Agusta. There are plenty of Agusta helicopters flying in Ireland,anyway, so the supply chain already exists.At least it's nearer then Mirabel or Fort Worth.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2005, 11:11:30 pm »
Quote (SousaTeuszii @ 22 Nov. 2005,12:05)
Bell is set to be bought out of the AB139 programme by Agusta Westland. What future for the US139? What future for A139 service support now without any American influence?

Was the support of Bell not just a technicality to make the aircraft available on the US market? Combine marketing efforts etc?
Most European companies won't get a look in in the US unless they have a "Made in USA" tag on them somewhere. Particularly if you intend selling to the US Government.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2005, 03:00:25 pm »
Quote (pilatus @ 22 Nov. 2005,10:57)
will it actually be redesignated as A139 will it be AW139 or just keep the name as it is already known!

does anyone know!?
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2005, 05:54:13 pm »
Old Redeye and Sealion,
As a US company is required as backer to government suppliers, what happens the US139 when Bell withdraw and only AW is left? If the US139 is hot tipped to win such a large order for the LUH why would Bell pull out, it does not make sense?
That is unless the US139 will still be built by Bell under license. AW get Bell support, Bell get orders to produce US139 and most interestingly AW have spare cash which IS going into the Bell 609 programme. Could this just be a big paper exercise for Tax / Cash flow purposes or does it spell problems for the US139? Remember this aircraft was slated as the UH1 / 412 replacement but surely now Bell will continue its 412 / UH1 production. What do you think?

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2005, 09:41:22 pm »
didn't realise there was an option for two more AB139's after the four.

http://www.dgualdo.it/prod-ab139.htm

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2005, 07:41:10 am »
Yea and if the talk around the Don is to be believed is that the IAC are quite likely to get the go ahead for the option to be utilised, Reading from the Article that was written by a very well respecred correspondent on IAC affairs (Abit of festive Arse Licking!! Ha. in AFM European Air Reveue as well other sources the final number of Agusta AB139s or whatever they are going to call may reach eight in IAC service,

I just have one querie that is that Eurocopter EC135P2 are replacing the Alouettes AS316s and the Gazzelles Correct??

The Agusta Bell AB139s are replacing the Dauphins AS365Fis
Correct?? (Or wat is the situation regarding the Dauphins are they all to be sold off or is it still up for decision there future with them?? 'pilot_cool'
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2005, 09:49:12 am »
So I'm a lick arse then???
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2005, 02:56:17 pm »
Gents,

- The militay version fo the 139 is the A-149
- AW is establishing a 139 factory in Waco, TX next year.
- The Bell/AW busniess relationship remains very close.
- From the inception of the seperate Bell Agusta corporation, created to build and market the 139 and 609 tilt-rotor, there was always an assumption that it would break up once either or both a/c reached solid sales ground.  AB was a place holder to take advantage of mutual engineering development and maketing capabilites without placing undue financial risk on either parent company.  Now that 139's are selling like hot cakes around the world, and teh 609 is in final, pre-sales development, it was deemed appropriate to make the split before managing it became too complex.  AW will carry on with the 139/149, while Bell moves ahead with the 609.
- the winner of the Army's LUH will probably also, in turn, get the USAF Utiliy Helo award, and I would be quite surprised if it was not the 139.  Even without either or both of these contracts, there is plenty of market share in teh years to come to keep the Waco plant busy.
- Bell's offer of the 412 for LUH is simply throwing their hat in the ring without much expectation of winning. Hedging their bets.  Remember, the 412 is built in Canada, while the 139 will be built in the good old USA. And, there will certainly be a role for Bell in 139 production in the US as a subcontractor.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2005, 06:34:54 pm »
No Frank ya got it wrong i was the one trying to do a bit of Festive Arse Licking LOL!!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2005, 07:17:14 pm »
Ah Gosh! I was just about to put the kettle on thought we were in for a good row!
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