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Offline yeehah1

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« on: October 06, 2003, 06:53:45 pm »
06-10-03
Hey Guys.
I am doing a little research and am looking for some Irish Air Corps stories set around the Second World War and after.
I know we encountered Germans, British and Americans etc so there must be some yarns out there.
If you know of any, please pass them on to me, but htey must be real and be able to be backed up by historical record/facts.
Thanks in advance,
Liam]
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2003, 11:28:32 pm »
07-10-03
TK: Why do you refer to MacCarron's books as "rubbish"?
No-one else is really dealing with the subject. How would you improve on it?
Liam

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2003, 10:25:55 pm »
Check out Donal MacCarron's books -
His latest is "Landfall Ireland", and a previous book "Step Together - Ireland's Emergency Army" both of which include stories about the AC during WWII.

Actually, "Landfall Ireland" includes a couple of incidents where Air Corps planes 'intercepted' British and German aircraft !

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2003, 09:33:15 pm »
The self claimed historian states that 220 aircraft came down here. The Air Corps,Army and Military Archives quote 163, my figure would be plus 2or3. This makes over 50 aircraft not accounted for, rubbish!.He does not qoute sources or references or bibliography. He does not understand squadron codes or serial numbers and misidentifies aircraft E.G. A photo of Hurricane with codes GZ ( which is 32 Sqn.) is listed as 79 Sqn.(codes NV) and states it was the aircraft flown by the first internee. In fact it is Remy's aircraft.He describes an attack on the SS Simaloer by a KG27 Heinkel in the Irish Sea area. The Simaloer was attacke by a Condor North West of Tory Is. He does not do his research. He describes a landing in Donegal which did not occur. The aircraft was supposed to have got away and was shot down three months later over Gremany.The incident of the Condor crash at Bantry is incorrect I was in touch with the sole survivor prior to his passing some years ago. Incidentally in his other book A View From Above he states ( in relation to the Dauphin disaster at Tramore) that "a helicopter collided high ground, killing its crew of four" High Ground??
RPY I am glad that you mentioned Patrick Cummins book, it shows what a real historian /researcher can do. I have a copy of this book. It shows the hard work which went into it full sources and references which means you can follow up. It is accurate and informative.I understand that the author published it himself with his own funds which means that he must sell a certain number to break even. This book deserves support. I have had no imput or connection with this publication at any time in case you are wondering.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2003, 02:41:42 am »
I didn't think Donal MacCarron had Landfall Ireland published just yet. Where did you get your copy?
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2003, 01:43:55 pm »
Hey Tony, Donal McCarron came to my house when he was researching Wings over Ireland, he placed an advert in the British Airways newspaper and I got in touch with him. He took some of my photo's (the ones Frank has attributed to me on his archive website) and returned them a while later. He seemed very interested in the IAC and had a lot of knowledge about the Officer side of things and I felt that in the book the 'other ranks' only got a little bit more than a passing mention!
Tony, with your vast knowledge and I know that you actually do set foot in Baldonnel on a regular basis, whereas D McC lives in the UK, surely you could write a definitive book about the IAC? I'll buy a copy!

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2003, 10:44:27 am »
I've seen it in Easons.
D'oh!

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2003, 12:35:55 am »
Hi John,
Thanks for your kind words. My research is ongoing don't know when to stop. The Air Corps history and the air war over Ireland are two subjects which I keep researching there is new information coming on line all the time. Unfortunately I have to earn a living, a starving wife, a dog ,cat and a wild bird population in my garden who think I operate a fast food joint! I keep at it. I like to get the facts right as Bomber Harris is reported to have said " When I want information I go to the horses mouth others go to the other end"
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2003, 12:10:56 pm »
You can buy it on Amazon already.

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2003, 10:43:52 am »
Hey Tony, yes I can relate to your predicament! Have you seen D.McC.s' new book yet? How do you think it stacks up to what really happened? Churchills' propagander still lives on over here in the UK, people still think that German U boats were resupplying in Irish ports during the war. D.McC. paints a different view in 'Wings over Ireland', do you have any different views?

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2003, 07:18:33 pm »
St.Stephens Green Centre bookshop (Hughes & Hughes ?).

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2003, 08:31:55 pm »
Silver,
You mentioned buying "Landfall Ireland". What do you think of Mac Carron's latest rubbish?(That should stir something)
Tony K

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2003, 09:44:30 pm »
Hey Tony,
Paddy Cummins has just published a book covering the wartime ( Emergency ) crashes/forced landings in the South East area. Available direct from the author ( 051-357010 ) €15 inc. post or in bookshops in the South East €12.50.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2003, 10:23:40 pm »
TK,
Do I detect a bit of negativity (on your part) towards Mr. MacCarron's work '<img'>