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Offline Old Redeye

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« on: March 31, 2006, 03:14:28 pm »
Intersting story below in that the EU Nordic Battelgroup (Sweden, Finland, Norway) is the one Ireland will likely sign up with.  Sweden will contribute these Super Puma medevacs.  Finland will provide NH-90 Battlefield Support Helos and Norway Bell 412's.  Ireland needs a 139/149 force of 6-8 aircraft to provide a viable deployment package of 3-5.  

CHC's Heli-One Group Awarded Swedish Military Super Puma Upgrade Contract (CHC Corp.; issued March 30, 2006)
  
 VANCOUVER, B.C., Canada --- CHC Helicopter Corporation announced today that the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration has awarded the company an $18 million (CDN) contract for the refurbishment of three AS332M1 Super Puma helicopters.  
 
The helicopters will be upgraded by Heli-One, CHC's leasing and helicopter support division, for MEDEVAC operations as a part of the Nordic Battle Group.  
 
As a part of the upgrade program, the helicopters will be equipped with new Electronic Flight Instrument System, Multi Function Display and mission-specific equipment. The first helicopter will undergo modifications at Heli-One's facility in Stavanger, Norway, during the autumn and winter 2006/2007, with the remaining aircraft to be completed during 2007.

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 05:47:56 pm »
If we ever get involved I doubt we`ll be providing air assets.

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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2006, 12:47:41 pm »
Each of those countries mentioned is approx the same size as Ireland in regard to population, GDP etc. Ireland prides itself on being the Celtic Tiger, yet cannot/will not put together an Air Force that compares with like sized countries. It reflects badly on Ireland.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 07:40:12 pm »
Now that constitutional hurdles have been overcome, Ireland will likely join what some are already calling the "Nordic Plus" EU Battlegroup alongside Sweden, Finland and Norway, with Sweden as lead nation.  What can we look forward to on the air side as this evolves?

AIRLIFT:  Sweden may order 2x C-17's and Norway is considering joining in for a total of 3-4 C-17's operated jointly.  Finland and Ireland may well participate with funding, aircrews and ops support personnel to obtain no cost/low cost access to the capability.  Meanwhile, Finland has ordered 2x C-295's, with more on option.  Will Ireland be next with two? How about joint Irish/Finnish C-295 airlift tasking/aircraft pooling/maintenance & training?

N+ BATTLEGROUP AIR SQUADRON: Finland will likely lead this initiative, with an offering of four NH-90TT's for troop lift, to operate jointly with Irish AW-149's for C2, medevac and utility.  Similarly, to provide a second rotation capability, Norway will offer Bell 412 Arapahos - eventually to be replaced by NH-90TT's, while Sweden can initially offer AS-332 Super Pumas, and eventually NH-90TTT's. Note: four AW-149's, constituting a second tranche order following on to the four 139's already on book, are the most likely IAC contribution, though an order for four NH-90TT's instead should not be ruled out.

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2006, 09:02:47 pm »
Just to make a point about the GDP - unlike Norway, Sweden, Finland, our relative wealth is a very recent development. We have a long way to go yet before our infrastructure can be a match for the likes of those countries. Sort road, rail, health etc etc then look at defence. With good infrastructure you can maintain a good economy, ergo, you can then spend more on other area's like defence.

I'm not saying defence should be ignored in the meantime, that would be stupid. 4 x 139 helicopters for example isnt nearly enough for a modern wealthy nation. What I am saying is give people a break. 4 is just a start, ordering 4 military choppers every 2 years is more palitable for the public than 12 in one go.





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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2006, 12:56:22 am »
What annoys the fcuk out of me then is when people go "5 choppers? is that all we have ha ha ha" fools.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 03:20:03 pm »
Hear Hear Pym!  Reasonable defence spending to attain reasonable defence goals that bring the right mix of capabilities to satisfy realistic requirements.  I think Ireland is on the right track - EU battlegroup participation is the right mechanism - multiply and focus capabilities by making the most of mult-national initiatives such as those I described for airlift and the N+ BAS.  Build capability carefully and properly over time - over the next five years.

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 09:27:04 pm »
Hi all
Seeing as we might end up mucking in with the Nordics, we might as well lease airlift/air defence/artillery/tank/naval support assets from them, as they downsize their forces after the Cold War has ended.They have plenty of kit available and I'd rather lease in a used Swedish C-130 than let it rot or be scrapped.Seeing as we are already luvved up with the Swedish, we may as well continue the trend of arming ourselves from their stocks.Leasing military equipment is as common these days as leasing airliners.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2006, 11:26:34 am »
I agree totally with pym and GTTC.

Fouga, don't let those fools get to you. The AC is now getting good equipment - and the only way is up! .. (pardon the pun) '<img'>

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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2006, 10:04:40 pm »
Don't tie yourselves up too much with those Vikings-their beer prices are astronomical! Maybe that's how they fund their defence programmes?

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2006, 05:16:27 pm »
(Source: Swedish Armed Forces; issued May 29, 2006)
  
  
 The headquarters of the Nordic Battle Group (NBG) have been officially inaugurated. During a ceremony at the regiment of Uppland, representatives from Sweden, Norway, Finland and Estonia signed a cooperation agreement.  
 
On January 1, 2008, Sweden, together with Norway, Finland and Estonia and possibly Ireland will constitute the fifth European battle group out of eleven planned. The preparations have been going on for some time. Among others the NBG-headquarters in Enköping have been assigned with personnel. The ceremony on last Monday constituted the inauguration of the unit's headquarters and the subordinated units in Sweden, Norway, Finland and Estonia, who will be training the incorporated units in the Nordic Battle Group.  
 
Lieutenant-General Mats Nilsson, Head of the unit supply process, declared during his speech that a lot of the preparations have been terminated, however there is still a lot of work to do before the NBG will be ready for a mission at a maximum distance of 6000 kilometres from Brussels.  
 
The Brigadier Karl Engelbrektsson received a blue and yellow banner marked with a "V", which among others symbolises that the NBG constitutes the fifth European Union battle group that is set up. “It is a great personal honour for me to receive the banner and to be the Commander of the staff,” said Engelbrektsson.  
  
The Nordic Battle Group will preliminary be manned by approximately 2 400 officers and soldiers as per contract. Sweden is the dominating nation with about 2 000 individuals. Sweden is also responsible for the manning of the major part of the staff and affords competencies from almost all units of the Swedish Armed Forces. Finland is planning for a participation with 200 persons, which mainly implies a mortar platoon and personnel for map service as well as CBRN (weapons with Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear agents). Norway will be in charge of a Mobile Army Surgical Hospital and they are planning for 150 persons. Estonia will participate with approximately 50 persons and they will be responsible for a security platoon and a close protection platoon.  
 
There is a possibility that Ireland, as a fifth partner, will be included in the Nordic Battle Group. In the affirmative case Ireland would be involved in the sectors for close protection and medical care. There will be a decision taken in this matter shortly.  
 
The Nordic Battle Group will consist of officers, that are already appointed to various tasks as well as conscripts. The recruitment of conscripts will start among those conscripts, who begin their military service this summer as well as those, who have recently finished their military service.  
 
During next year the first large scale exercises will be effected, and at the turn of the years 2007/2008, the Nordic Battle Group will be ready for mission.  
 
The agreement was signed by Lieutenant-General Mats Nilsson, Sweden, Brigadier Roar Sundseth, Norway, Major-General Markku Koli, Finland and Lieutenant-General Johannes Kert, Estonia.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2006, 06:58:41 am »
UK HQ for Nordic Battle Group
JORIS JANSSEN LOK JDW Correspondent and DONNA RICHARDSON Jane's Aviation Reporter
Såtenäs Air Base, Sweden


The Nordic Battle Group is looking to the UK to provide it with a strategic command and control capability.  Sweden is negotiating an agreement with the UK for the use of the Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) in Northwood, London, as an operational headquarters (OHQ) to provide strategic-level command and control (C2) for the Swedish-led Nordic Battle Group (NBG).

The NBG, formed in May, comprises 2,000 troops from Sweden, 200 from Finland, 150 from Norway and 50 from Estonia. Discussions are ongoing about including a contribution from the Republic of Ireland, according to NBG force commander and Swedish Army Brigadier General Karl Engelbrektson.

The unit is scheduled to be on standby for six months starting on 1 January 2008 for deployment within 10 days to a crisis area within a 6,000 km radius of Brussels. Should the NBG be called upon to deploy, C2 arrangements include a 92-strong force headquarters (FHQ) that will deploy into the area of operations to provide C2 at the operational and tactical level.

At the strategic level, however, the Swedish armed forces do not have the facilities or expertise to provide C2 for a force that is deployed overseas, an NBG officer told Jane's. "The opportunity has arisen to use the UK's PJHQ in Northwood as the OHQ, while the UK has also offered to give us guidance about how to set up and operate the PJHQ," he added.

Should the NBG deploy, it is foreseen that a key nucleus in Northwood, incorporating a Nordic OHQ cell, would be available to provide an immediate response. This capability would be boosted within five days by a number of primary augmentations and within 20 days by further augmentations.

The OHQ would be linked to the Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Estonian and possibly Irish capitals for military co-ordination - political co-ordination would be done via the EU in Brussels. It would also be linked with the deployed FHQ via secure data, video teleconferencing and voice communications lines.

According to Gen Engelbrektson, the NBG is being set up as a "coherent joint and combined task force to be used in the whole spectrum of peace support operations, either as a spearhead for a wider force or as a stand-alone force."

He emphasised that Sweden's commitment to lead the NBG and to have the battle group ready by 1 January 2008 makes it a "good vehicle to promote the transformation of the Swedish armed forces".

Speaking during a presentation on Sweden's newly acquired joint force capabilities at Såtenäs Air Base, Sweden, on the 80th anniversary of the Swedish Air Force (SwAF), Gen Engelbrektson said: "The battle group and its required level of readiness demands a new approach, which we are implementing.

Not knowing when, where and how to deploy means that it is impossible to prepare the operational plan in advance. A new range of capabilities, assets, knowledge and training is necessary. The area of operations is much bigger, which leads to a need for knowledge of conflicts, cultures, climates and their impact on personnel and equipment.

"We believe that deploying and redeploying the NBG force package will require a combination of strategic sea- and air-lift as well as tactical lift, plus air and sea port-of-debarkation expertise, combined with a movement control organisation," he told the international audience at Såtenäs.

The live demonstration at Såtenäs of some of the joint capabilities that will be part of the NBG included the Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Leopard 2A5S main battle tank, BAE Systems Land Systems Hägglunds CV90 infantry fighting vehicle, Patria XA-203S armoured personnel carrier, Ericsson Microwave Systems Giraffe AMB surveillance radar as well as forward air control assets, all from the Swedish Army.

SwAF assets taking part in the demonstration included Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighters providing close air support, Saab/Ericsson Erieye airborne early warning aircraft and Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules aircraft. The latter provided tactical airlift support.