Clonbullogue crash report

[Shamrock145]

Has the report into the fatal crash in Clonbullogue back in May 2004 been released yet?

Were the AAIU involved or was it an entirely internal military investigation, and if the latter is the case, would the findings be made public?

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[Pink Panther]

The AAIU were involved with others in the investigation as the accident happened at a civilian airfield. The report is still pending as I understand it.

[Shamrock145]

thanks PP

anyone have any insight as to why the delay? More recient, all be it non fatal, incidents have had their findings released.

I was of the understanding that, while obviously the Cessna didn't have any CVR/FDR, there were witnesses (air corps personell, so potentially "expert witnessess") and possible video evidance of the incident which would have assisted in the investigation.

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[Shamrock145]

I'm still wondering why the delay.

We're now over 3 years since the accident, the type is still in use with the Air Corps and yet, no release of the report with cause and recomendations.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I'd have expected a published finding by now.

Does anyone on the board have any insight into the dealy?

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[Pink Panther]

It does indeed seem to be taking along time. You could always give the AAIU a ring and ask for an update on their findings.There was another report into an incident that happened at Weston which seemed to be on the slow burner with them also, a phone call was made into the current status of the report, it was published soon after. As I understand it and as you said in your previous post there were eye witnesses and allegidely video evidence to the tragedy, so untill the report is published you will have to draw your own conclusions.

[Shamrock145]

I've been in touch with the AAIU and they say ...

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The accident in question happened to an Irish military aircraft and the investigation into that accident was carried out by the Air Corps who may be in a position to answer your question.  Although the AAIU may provide technical expertise, if requested, in such investigations they are a function of the Air Corps itself.   Under S.I 205 of 1997 Part IV, Subsection 27 both the Minister for Transport and Marine and the Minister of Defence must jointly agree that the AAIU should investigate an occurrence or accident to a State aircraft.  As this did not happen in the case you refer to the AAIU did not conduct the investigation.

So, in the case of a fatal crash, the ministers in question decided no external investigation was required. I suspect that also mean that the findings will not be made public.

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[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
Air Corps accidents and incidents reports are not routinely made public.This has always been the case and only in the event of a particular tragedy, such as 248, would the findings be made public.Generally, accidents are investigated by a Board, made up of Officers and some specialist senior NCOs and they tend to follow the same procedural pattern as civil investigations.They operate under Military law, not civil law, which is an important difference.Accident reports tend only to be given to the concerned parties, such as the Corps itself, the State and the families of any deceased...the fact that every credible Military nation publishes it's accident reports for the general public, on the basis that the taxpayer paid for the miltary in the first place seems to have slipped the Air Corps' mind.Although, if the public knew how many accidents and incidents the Don has really had, they might get a little worried.
Incidentally,the crash of the Cessna in Clonbulloge was widely filmed because so many of the jumpmasters had video/still cameras as part of their jump rigs. The filmed evidence was collected, voluntarily, within minutes of the crash.
regards
GttC

[Shamrock145]

Thanks GttC.

Whatever the findings, I hope the were/are implemented and there isn't a repeat loss.

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