Air Marshals

[FiannaFail]

As it now seems likely that Aer Lingus will be required to have armed Air Marshalls on some of its transatlantic flights from Ireland who in your view show undertake this role? The Gardai? The Military Police? or the Ranger Wing?  My own preference is for the Ranger Wing but do you all think?
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[Silver]

Ranger Wing members (or former ARW people) would seem to be the most likely choice - they have the required training after all.

[alpha foxtrot 07]

the only problem with the super rock apes is that as a soilder you are trained to shoot first and then ask questions later (cheese eah!). so the ARW would be your last choice, anyway theres not enough of them to go around, its a small unit. now the garda would be a far better choice, there well trained to deal with this kinda job, PR and all plus there is already a armed unit cant remember what the units called but there is one there. i seen these guys shoot too, very bad, kinda scary actually. but thats of topic we'll leave that for later.

[tashkurgan]

This is one of the many relatively new forms of asymetric warfare (well for us it is) that nation states have to tackle. A detailed examination of the special ops requirements of the state wouldn't do any harm, my own .02c is that specially armed and trained Gardai would probably be the right fit.

[Turkey]

Alpha, no offence but, I do wish that you would stop refering to our troops as rock aps, super or otherwise, it's unecessarly demeaning and extreamly annoying.
If we need air marshalls on our flights, then I belive they will have to be ARW, as they are trained to kill when necessary.
I hate to say this, but the job would seem to be: take the decision and make the kill.
Moderator, despite replying, I do not belive this supject is suitable for this forum.

[alpha foxtrot 07]

just to clear up the statement. 'rock ape' was a generic nickname that my class gave our army classmates in the curragh during our time there. i use it let my army buds know its someone they know, also i think the term has been around a long time, mabe the old time donners could inform us all of its origin.
regards
AF07

[Turkey]

OK, sorry, but one tends to think of iit in the same light as stubble-hoppers or sandbags. '>

[alpha foxtrot 07]

no worries man, i too have been called a sandbag in my time.

[Silver]

Turkey,
Once this topic sticks to general references regarding the ARW etc, I see no reason to end it.

(Of course, as is always the case in these matters, Frank has the final say here)

[John K]

Hey Guys, 'Rock Apes' is the derogatory name for RAF Regiment personnell, so called after the little monkeys who inhabit the Rock of Gibraltar. When I was in the 'Don we called anyone who hadn't gone through Scabhdrun Traencala Teicniuil (Technical Training Squadron) a 'Recruit' or a 'Rookie'. In fact it was a real insult to be called a 'Recruit'! This insult would be hurled at anyone who had polished his boots, had a haircut, shave, etc.
That's why NCOs were brought in from the Army to try to get some discipline into the apprentices, starting with Cygnet and Claudel Hopson, who were far too cushy on their juniors!

[FiannaFail]

Wow John K!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FiannaFail

[alpha foxtrot 07]

thanks john k. i always wondered where the term came from. it was just the same for us, whenever you were called cadet you knew you were in trouble. as far as polishing the boots went your right but the flight boots wern't to be polished, which was a great change from the dftc.

[irishsamourai]

put weapon inside airplane is dangerous with or without ARW , this weapon could be use to destroy main system on plane

[p.diddy.cool]

A weapon inside the aircraft... ok i agree its not a good idea! but i do have to say that Alpha Foxtrots statement is very demeaning!, ive worked along side these guys and they are pro's not just here but all over the world ex ARW members are running high risk security firms using there talents... i'm not going to keep on about it!

Regards P.D.C