UFO's over Dublin

[pym]

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I know its slightly off topic(Aircorps) but in todays Evening Herald theres a report about the increasing sightings of unknown A/C, and other UFO's over the east coast. This article pays particular attention to a recent event which took place on June 30th at 01.50hrs over Dublin which invovled 11 unknown radar returns at EIDW which appeared at various locations around the city and suburbs. A pilot said he seen green and red lights moving erratically over Santry,Malahide and finglas(GASU heli maybe???) and that they reported it to ATC before having a near miss with an object that caused turbulance and the TCAS to warn of an impending collision before shooting off "like lightning". The pilot also estimated that the object was 30ft long and 10 feet high making it oval in appearance. Intresting stuff guys!! Frank, how about starting up a thread about this sort of stuff??? The pilots want to remain anonymous for obvious reasons so maybe people could share stories here?? I know some people totally rubbish this subject but it doesnt have to be all about little green men with ray guns,  after all these objects/craft that were seen accelerating to warp speed in june had red and green lights, which suggests terrestrial origin. Black ops along the east coast anyone??

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First thing's first, I do believe life has to exist somewhere else in the universe, but I dont believe anything visited us just yet  '>

Second thing; if the pilots want this to be seriously investigated then they have to come forward. UFO's arent just to do with little green men, they could well be foreign military aircraft... or even just civilians.. either way, if something is actually going on, then it needs to be looked into, but remaining anonymous will stop this from happening.

I guess my first question has to be about the 11 radar returns? I thought civil radar just used passive (i think that's the right term) radar, which only gets a return once there's an active transponder on the aircraft? I'm probably wrong on this I know...

What puts me off the notion of "black ops" or a foreign nation arsing about in our airspace is the total embarassment they'd face if we made a public complaint. If the USAF, RAF or civilian fliers are putting the safety of fliers in our airspace in question, then they deserve to face serious consequences.

Dot a few L70's and their flycatcher units around Dublin, I reckon we'd see an end to this double quick  '>

[futurepilot]

I for one wouldn`t want to be the poor guy lighting up a trigger happy F-15 pilot with a giraffe radar. '> . Can you imagine, all of a sudden he realises theres a second contact.......a HARM missile coming his way at high speed.

[P.Doff]

With regards to radar returns, as far as Im aware the controller will still get a return without a transponder but with no altitude or aircraft info.I mean whats the point in having radar if you can only pick up aircraft that are squaking?? I know thats the case here in the don as Ive often heard the tower report unidentified traffic to our aircraft in a certain area but with no altitude!!
With regards to the pilots wanting to remain unknown I can understand this. A recent program on Discovery interviewed recently retired pilots who now came forward with incidents involving UFO's while they were flying. They said that if they were to make a big deal of it while still in service that it would have ruined their careers. One Lufthansa guy's incident was recorded on ATC radio in which you can clearly hear both he and ATC acknowledge that they had a UFO!
The Army have even had an incident of their own when an unidentified triangular shaped craft was seen over the Curragh then over the Glen of Imal a couple of minute later??!!

[pym]

anyone else hear the x-files music?  '>

like i said, i dont really know how the civilian radar works, i obviously misunderstood.

i'd like to see some proper evidence about this because it's intruiging stuff... i'd be pretty irritated if anyone was practising in out airspace without our permission

[FMolloy]

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I'd be pretty irritated if anyone was practising in out airspace without our permission

What's to stop them?  '>

[Silver]

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The Army have even had an incident of their own when an unidentified triangular shaped craft was seen over the Curragh then over the Glen of Imal a couple of minute later??!!

Can you tell us any more about this PDoff ?

Is it true, or are you winding us up ?

[pym]

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Quote (pym @ 24 July 2005,10:40) I'd be pretty irritated if anyone was practising in out airspace without our permission What's to stop them?  '>

Nothing much. But, we do have a capability, however small it may be, to lockup an aircraft on military radar and if you ask me - it should be done (it'd be good practise if nothing else '> ) I'm obviously not saying "shoot at the yanks" though.

If this stuff is in fact going on and it's a big if, then an official complaint should be made and be made publicly. Maybe then the  public might come around to seeing the the merits of an independent nation having some sort of viable anti aircraft platform, instead of being utterly defenceless in 2005, against anything with a jamming pod and a speed faster than 300mph.

I'm waiting for the next time an RAF or USAF plane gets lost over Dublin in broad daylight... no doubt the usual sources will kick up murder... they being the guys who complained about us purchasing a "nato standard plane" (the pc-9)

[Silver]

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I'm waiting for the next time an RAF or USAF plane gets lost over Dublin in broad daylight...

"Next time" '>

When did USAF or RAF aircraft get lost in our airspace ?

[Pink Panther]

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Quote (pym @ 24 July 2005,14:24) I'm waiting for the next time an RAF or USAF plane gets lost over Dublin in broad daylight... "Next time" '> When did USAF or RAF aircraft get lost in our airspace ?

Last week!!!
An RAF puma landed just outside Dundalk, offloaded two police men and six para's.They were told by locals they were in the republic.The puma which was then on a flight to Armagh had to quickly return as the locals were not to happy. The reason given was an navigation error (lost).  '>

[John K]

Pink Panther, unintented border incursions are a matter of fact and have been for quite a while, I remember hanging out of the door of an A111 looking at a roadsign for Newtownbutler and that was on the way to Monaghan for a weeks sabbattacal, during the week we had a couple of forays into the north, due to 'navigational errors', quite a different matter to a NATO a/c getting lost over Dublin!
Nearest to that must have been a few years back when the pilot banged out of a Harrier that continued on it's way out off the south coast into the Atlantic!
And what about the British Army Gazelle that got lost and landed in Monaghan. I know an ex Wessex pilot now who caused a furore by 'spying' on houses in the south, at night with his searchlight! In reality he got lost and was just looking for directions!

[202]

This board has become very very quiet ... maybe everybody off at the Galway races ... or maybe there is only so speculation, rumour and discussion that can be gleaned from the very small world of Irish military aviation.

[Flyboy]

Actually "202" I was thinking the very same thing, exactly how much talk, information, speculation, discussion can we have, based on 40 something aircraft. And please let not some pedant start a discussion/argument on the exact number of aircraft !!!

[futurepilot]

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This board has become very very quiet ... maybe everybody off at the Galway races ... or maybe there is only so speculation, rumour and discussion that can be gleaned from the very small world of Irish military aviation.

Well, people are on holiday, summer camps with RDF etc etc. Also, the summer is always a quiet time for news of any kind.

[John K]

Some very good stuff over on the Foreign Air shows thread! Great photos from RIAT!

[202]

Anway things are likely to get even quieter ... after last week's news the phenomenon of border incursions/excursions is likely to become a thing fo the past ...no doubt has implications for IAC activities too with Alouette/Cessna activity on the border likely to diminish ... (that's if they are not already virtually finished) ...