Scale model Fouga?

[Irish251]

I concur with the view that the Irish Magisters were/are in a painted aluminium finish.

I also know that Joe Maxwell, who produces MaxDecals, goes to great lengths to ensure the accuracy of his decals, so any comment here that might suggest otherwise should, in my view, be withdrawn.

[Tony Kearns]

John,
Don't tempt me!  
But, to the decals I notice that you are referring to a 48th scale sheet when you mention that there is no decal for the Magisters. I am only aware of one kit in 48th scale for the Magister and it was many years ago. It was not condidered a good kit at the time and I have never seen it since.
Tony K.

[Fouga23]

only one half decent kit in 1/48. Fonderie miniatures

[Tony Kearns]

What would one describe the colour of Magister 219 seen here at Baldonnel, aluminium, silver, silver grey? Suggestions please.I do not think it is a question of Joe Maxwell's accuracy just an opportunity to tease out a particular quandary.
Tony K

[Frank]

I would say silver grey...

[Tony Kearns]

I would describe this Beech as Aluminium finish.
Tony K

[Fouga23]

you can't compare those 2. That beech is real polished aluminium. the Fouga is painted aluminium wich gives the impression of a dull grey/silver depending on the light. You can't compare a paint color called "aluminium" to that polished metal. I've done enough research and seen enough Fouga's in my life to know the real color.

edit: closest I know without mixing your own paint is humbrol n°56 "aluminium"

[Irish251]

The principal colour of the Air Corps Vampires and Doves was overall silver-grey also, if I'm not mistaken.  It may not be called "aluminium" but it is substantially different to the (different) greys worn by the helicopters or the PC-9Ms.

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi all
The Fougas may have been "bare-metal" in the early days,if anyone can rustle up a good photo of same.The "bare" look is simply the normal Alclad polished up to a high gloss.It is quite common on current airliners as a weight-saving measure.It is a pain in the neck to keep clean.The only time bare metal showed on an Irish Fouga is when the nose-cone or tip tanks had their painted coat eroded by sun or flight.If you want to see a bare-metal Fouga, look at 3-KE(and see how unprotected it is against corrosion, by not being primed or painted).To satisfy the identity of the paint, why not dig up the original maintenance manuals and confirm the manufacturer's designation and/or NATO code for the paint.
Incidentally, remember how the French product codes/titles such as "Azote" for Nitrogen, were left on the outside of the Fougas.
regards
GttC

[Fouga23]

here is the official BAF TO for painting the Fouga. this is dated 1965. I have another one dated 1995 but that is says the same about the paint. if you look under n°3 it says "the paint color will be "aluminium". I don't have the paint N° but I will ask in our paintshop. The IAC Fouga's were painted the same way as ours. French ones usually were in bare metal like GttC says.
I believe 1 or 2 IAC Fouga's were originaly ment for Katanga before an embargo made that impossible. They were stored here in Brustem AB before going to Sogerma to be refurbished and then sold to the  IAC. have to check my serial numbers for that though.

[Fouga]

what would you call this ? Bare? I dont like it

[Fouga23]

Question about 221: Does anyone have a picture of it? Is it in IAC colors or still 3-KE French colors? Why was it only used as instructional airframe and not as a flying?

[Fouga]

French Colours it was kept grounded so it could be used as an instructional Frame and to be dismantled and fixed up again endless times!

[Fouga]

Check this out, She had the serial number 221 but dont know if that was ever used on her?

AIRCORPS SF260WE MARCHETTIS

Serial                         Status
222   Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 5,180

223   W/O Virginia Co.Cavan 13/10/1990

224   W/O 24/01/1978

225   Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 4,857

226   Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 5,281

227   Forced Landing, Clane Co.Kildare 21/02/91, Repaired and Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 4,538

228   Forced Landing, In a park in Clondalkin Co.Dublin 23/08/93

229   On Display Air Corps Museum Baldonnel, Total Hours 3,975

230   Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 4,012

231   Stored Baldonnel, Total Hours 5,202
 
235   W/O near Maynooth Co.Kildare 10/02/1982


AIR CORPS FOUGA CM.170 SUPER MAGISTER

Serial                     Status
215   To College Of Technology, Bolton Street, Dublin
       25/11/2004

216   To Cork Tech College April 2002 for Technician Training Purposes and Stored at Cork Airport, Returned to Baldonnel

217   To Austrian Air Force for preservation March 2005

218   To FAS, Shannon Training Center July 2002

219   On Display Air Corps Museum Baldonnel

220   To Carlow Institute of Technology April 2001

221   Ex Armee de L'aire 79/3-KE. Stored Disassembled
       Baldonnel      


AIR CORPS CESSNA FR.172H/K

Serial                           Status
203  Current

204  Ditched 20/09/1978 River Shannon while on Bird Survey
      No Casualties

205  Current

206  Current

207  Ditched 01/03/90 Sea Off Gormanston. During August  
      1998 was Transported to Waterford for use by Airport
      Fire Service

208  Current

209  W/O Heavy Landing 10/11/93

210  Forced Landing after Engine Failure 31/01/91 Bandon
      Co.Cork, Undamaged and flown out, Currently on  
      Scheduled Maintenance

243  Acquired to replace 204. W/0 06/05/2004 Clonbollogue,
      Co.Offaly with the loss of Pilot 2nd Lieutenant
      Raymond Heery.

Serials 270,271 reserved for EC-135's on Order
Serials 272,273,274,275 reserved for AB139's on Order, Serials 276,277 reserved for AB139's on Option.

Dauphins 244,245 were the original dedicated Naval Variants with a stronger AirFrame, Crashworthy Fuel Tanks and a deck Harpoon, Both are not currently airworthy and are withdrawn from Service.


*Thanks to FlyingInIreland for letting me post this information which i got their permission for from FlyingInIreland Issue6 Volume1 "Salthill Air Show Edition"*

www.flyinginireland.com

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi all
3-KE had been belly-landed and was given to us for training.We were never allowed near it and it was pushed from corner to corner.Lip service was paid to actual hands-on training in the AC.
regards
GttC