Scale model Fouga?

[Tony Kearns]

GttC is (as usual ) correct. Magister 221 c/n 79 ex 3-KE first flew 26 July 1957. It was damaged after a wheels up landing while serving with SLV5V de  3EC at Nancy with code 3-KE. Delivered to Baldonnel on 25 Sept 1975. The underside was damaged and it was delivered less engine. It is at present in the Museum and the fuselage is in two sections.
Tony K

[Fouga23]

fuselage in 2 sections??? Now I really wanna see pics '>

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi Fouga23
The Fouga has a production joint aft of the cockpit, because of the change in fuselage cross-section, where the air intakes are fitted.The frames that support the engines are built into the airframe.In effect, the Fouga is divided into nose-cone, cockpit centre-section and aft fuselage.
regards
GttC

[Fouga23]

GttC,
Do you mean frame 10 or 13? I have seen one cut in 2 and recently the owner of a Danish Fouga had a fire and is talking about replacing the aft fuselage. I just thought it was impossible because you have 4 horizontal "tubes"(don't know the right English word) running from frame 1 all the way to the tail to connect all the frames. If you divide the fuselage in 2 (and thus cutting these tubes?) wouldn't this make it impossible to creat an airworthy airframe?
greets,
Tim

[Fouga]

Quote (GoneToTheCanner @ 01 Nov. 2005,10:07)

We were never allowed near it

What was so special or disasterous about her that nobody would let you near her?

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi Fouga23
The Fouga had a pressurised cockpit,I believe, so the "pressure cell" is the dividing line between the cockpit and the rest of the airframe. The longerons would have a point where deriveting or unbolting would be possible to split the airframe.
We were not allowed to practise on 3-KE because it was feared that we would ruin it,by either "souveneiring" bits off it or simply wearing it out by continuous disassembly/reassembly.Clearly, the bosses were unaware of the practise in the RAF where obsolete airframes are used for engineer training.
regards
GttC

[John K]

Thanks Tony, yes it does say 1/48 they do look quite large! Although it does say by the Puma 1/32, they won't fit my 1/72nd Fouga.
GttC, we used to play with 3-KE but not as a training aid so much,like I said we put the perspex over the airbrakes, I seem to remember we were going to re-skin the belly but never got around to it.
The Fougas were definately painted aluminium, not bare metal, not shiney.

[John K]

Next time I'm up in the loft I'll try to dig out my old Fouga course notes.

[pilatus]

Quote (GoneToTheCanner @ 02 Nov. 2005,14:51)

Hi Fouga23 The Fouga had a pressurised cockpit,I believe, so the "pressure cell" is the dividing line between the cockpit and the rest of the airframe. The longerons would have a point where deriveting or unbolting would be possible to split the airframe. We were not allowed to practise on 3-KE because it was feared that we would ruin it,by either "souveneiring" bits off it or simply wearing it out by continuous disassembly/reassembly.Clearly, the bosses were unaware of the practise in the RAF where obsolete airframes are used for engineer training. regards GttC

then why was she sent to us if she could not be used for training ground crew?was it ever actually used for this?

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi Pilatus
The idea was better than the reality.Some activity was allowed but generally, we were warned off it.There was an Alouette tailboom used for riveting practise and some other odds and sods but nothing remotely like that available elsewhere.
regards
GttC

[John K]

Hehhay! I've just had that long promised tidy up in the loft! Found the Fouga course notes but there's nothing about protective finish on the fuselage-in the way of paint colour.
Fouga, the frame numbers you mention are No 10 acts as a bulkhead to the sealed cabin and fwd fuel tank, 13 accomodates the wing spar attachments. If I remember correctly 3-KE has been cut up at frame 10. The tubes as you call them are called 'Longerons' and they're in 3 sections spliced together so a little bit of de-riviting would be needed to dismantle them.
Ahhh, it was good going over the old notes. Jeez! I'd forgotten how simple fuel system was! effective though.
Pilatus, as apprentices we did get some hands on training on 3-KE but as always the powers that be didn't trust non officers to touch anything that didn't belong to you! That used to be a symptom in Baldonnel, as a techie your judgement and skills weren't really believed or trusted.
It's different in 'civvy street'- a little bit anyway!

[Fouga23]

Quote (John K @ 11 Nov. 2005,04:03)

Hehhay! I've just had that long promised tidy up in the loft! Found the Fouga course notes but there's nothing about protective finish on the fuselage-in the way of paint colour. Fouga, the frame numbers you mention are No 10 acts as a bulkhead to the sealed cabin and fwd fuel tank, 13 accomodates the wing spar attachments. If I remember correctly 3-KE has been cut up at frame 10. The tubes as you call them are called 'Longerons' and they're in 3 sections spliced together so a little bit of de-riviting would be needed to dismantle them. Ahhh, it was good going over the old notes. Jeez! I'd forgotten how simple fuel system was! effective though. Pilatus, as apprentices we did get some hands on training on 3-KE but as always the powers that be didn't trust non officers to touch anything that didn't belong to you! That used to be a symptom in Baldonnel, as a techie your judgement and skills weren't really believed or trusted. It's different in 'civvy street'- a little bit anyway!

Thanks John, that answers my question. I went over some TO's but as far as I could see, the longerons were in 1 piece. Them being in 3 sections makes sence. I've known 2 Fouga's who were cut up and all were cut after frame 10. Do you know on what frame each of the 3 sections start/begin? Would love a copy of that course note if it would be possible.
thanks,
Fouga

[Tony Kearns]

Fouga 23,
Took these two last week as you mentioned you would like to see pictures. I had a good look at the paint finish and cleaned a small (and I mean small ) part of the fusleage, it was a case of "spit and polish"! I am of the opinion that it would come up as polished aluminium. Magister 219 on the other hand (but with not much spit left )comes up as Silver Grey. Thats my tuppence worth.
Tony K

[Tony Kearns]

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[Fouga23]

Tony, great shots! would it be possible to mail them to me in a higher resolution? fougaATtelenet.be (replace the AT with @). The reason for difference in finish is because the French ones aren't normally painted. It really is polished aluminium skin. The Irish on the other hand (and Belgians) are painted.