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Offline RMR

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2005, 02:41:21 pm »
Who's Cranwell?
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2005, 02:50:12 pm »
Is training in the pc-9 not to familiarize pilots with a 'fighter-type enviornment'...cant learn that in a caravan,but i see your point of where you take that training to when you come off pilatus..
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2005, 03:24:18 pm »
Brigadier Gen P Cranwell he was in charge of the AC when the Fouga's won the Lockheed Martin trophy @ Fairford basically the guy IC before Ralph.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2005, 03:48:33 pm »
Cranfield......
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2005, 06:16:24 pm »
Its an easy mistake to make. Mary Kennedy did the same on national TV while standing in for Pat Kenny. I believe then it was Brig Gen Cranley. Isnt it wonderful to be so memorable 'pilot_grin'
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2005, 06:37:57 pm »
It sure is..!! '<img'>
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2005, 07:22:14 pm »
He was memorable for the wrong reasons!!
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2005, 09:40:51 am »
OC air corps would not be an easy job to have!he always made it clear that he needed heavier helicopters and armed light jets(i.e. hawks)for the air corps but his requests fell on deaf ears.sorry always get names messed up but you know who im talking about!
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2005, 07:48:24 pm »
In reply to Sousa Teuszii original question the answer is no, they (t-9's) are about as effective in combat as breasts on a bull. The only air defense the enemy needed would be a few umbrellas. However, they are an excellent trainer for something greater. Dare I wish proper jets? Has the department of defense actually got the long term in view?
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2005, 07:55:44 pm »
I know ,typo !PC 9,s sorry.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2005, 06:43:50 pm »
Quote (Hess @ 15 Nov. 2005,10:48)
In reply to Sousa Teuszii original question the answer is no, they (t-9's) are about as effective in combat as breasts on a bull. The only air defense the enemy needed would be a few umbrellas. However, they are an excellent trainer for something greater. Dare I wish proper jets? Has the department of defense actually got the long term in view?

god only knows what the DOD has planned for the long term!whatever they have planned they could scrap it now as thats all they really ever do make plans then say a well what the hell!i think the aqquisition of new aircraft should be dealt with by the corps themselves.they have a say in whats bought but ultimately its out of their hands what they get(most of the time)!a certain amount of money should be allocated to the corps and then they themselves decide which aircraft they buy!they should have 100%control over these issues!
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2005, 10:49:47 pm »
Pilatus,
I agree wholeheartedly. The other problem is the Eurocratic tender process. You write a spec but ultimitly you can only buy from what is offered. Look at the Medium range project. Three tenders:
One 3 engine heap of the perverbial 15 years in the making.
One on the drawing board with a flight test model that didnt even have the right engines in testing never mind production.
One which was so new it had no convincing maintenance or flight profiles. What a choice!
Why cant the Air Corps buy second hand. Half the price for a proven concept in everyday use. As long as the tender process is in effect the Air Corps will always be hedging bets on any purchase. Its a system that supports the manufacturer not the customer 'thumbsdown'
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2005, 04:39:47 pm »
Quote (SousaTeuszii @ 16 Nov. 2005,13:49)
Pilatus,
I agree wholeheartedly. The other problem is the Eurocratic tender process. You write a spec but ultimitly you can only buy from what is offered. Look at the Medium range project. Three tenders:
One 3 engine heap of the perverbial 15 years in the making.
One on the drawing board with a flight test model that didnt even have the right engines in testing never mind production.
One which was so new it had no convincing maintenance or flight profiles. What a choice!
Why cant the Air Corps buy second hand. Half the price for a proven concept in everyday use. As long as the tender process is in effect the Air Corps will always be hedging bets on any purchase. Its a system that supports the manufacturer not the customer 'thumbsdown'

I taught that Military Equipment was not subject to the this "Tender" process as such, I know the DOD issue tenders for all Military equipemnt, however they can sleect twhat they want from the responces, where as the "Eurocratic" tender proccess seesm to stipulat you have to take the lowest proice once it meets you set out tender specifications.

So in a nutsheel, we could issue a tender document for Heavylift, all competitors reply and still purchase the Merlin, for example even though it woul dbe dearere that al other tenders.
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2005, 09:06:44 pm »
Could we not use the PC-9s in the FAC role as used by the RAAF . it is a role for which most european air arms do not seem to have a capability .
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2005, 09:27:07 pm »
Hi all
The PC-9s could be used for FAC, given the long history of small, comparatively slow aircraft being used for such a task.E.G; the Rockwell Bronco(SE Asia) or the Turbo Mentor(Falklands).The Brazilians are using their Tucanos for armed patrolling over their vast territories.Presumably, their pilots have a remit to open fire, if need be.....Could you imagine a PC-9 being allowed to open fire in defence of Irish soldiers in a firefight abroad?
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