Irish fouga without tiptanks

[Tony Kearns]

You're welcome Fouga23.
You are correct Guinness.
Tony K

[clog]

It looked in a lot better condition when we saw it guinness. or at least the bit i saw.

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
Was 3-KE "221" or was the hulk of the Marchetti given that reg? It was a waste of a number, either way....we apprentos were not allowed to touch that Fouga on pain of death.we never had any real practical training from it.I was told that it was cut up to provide a piece of airframe for a private Fouga that had suffered fire damage and as such, is not complete.
regards
GttC

[Fouga23]

Quote (GoneToTheCanner @ 21 May 2007,06:30)

Hi there Was 3-KE "221" or was the hulk of the Marchetti given that reg? It was a waste of a number, either way....we apprentos were not allowed to touch that Fouga on pain of death.we never had any real practical training from it.I was told that it was cut up to provide a piece of airframe for a private Fouga that had suffered fire damage and as such, is not complete. regards GttC

GttC,
I believe it was sold cheap or free to Ireland as an instruction airframe and cut in half to prevent it from even flying again. The one you are probably thinking about is Fouga OY-FGA which had an inflight fire. The owner bought an ex-French Fouga fuselage in Holland to repair his ride. more here: http://www.airservice.dk/web369.asp?toppkt=82

[Joe McDermott]

3-KE (No. 79) was supplied (after a wheel-up landing) to the Air Corps as a GIA, circ Sept. 1975. I think it was delivered into Dublin on a Nord Noratlas. Vampire 185 was shipped out on the return flight & ended up in open storage at Savigny Les Beaune on loan from Musee de l'Aire et de l'Espace at Le Bourget, Paris.

[Tony Kearns]

The question of the Fouga 3-KE came up in earlier postings. It was given the serial 221 and was less wings and the fuselage was not at that time cut. It arrived on a Noratlas 2501 FS-DMD on 18 September 1975.

[Tony Kearns]

Vampire 185 was also discussed in previous postings. It was collected in two trips by Transall.  The first trip was on 3 February 1978 by French Air Force Transall FR AZQ and the second trip for the remainder of 185was by Transall FR AZN on 27 April 1978.
Tony K

[Tony Kearns]

Joe mentioned  Vampire185 at the museum at Savigny. Air Britain publication Aviation World published the attached picture of 185 at the museum which is privately owned yet it has the Vampire on display presented to the French Air Force Museum by the Air Corps and what's more appears to be stored in the open. On loan or not wooden fuselage and all that!

[Joe McDermott]

Hi Tony,

I knew you would have the facts ! Mine were a bit off the mark.

[Irish251]

Photo of "221" when largely intact:

http://www.irishairpics.com/database/photo/1009657/

[FiSe]

Quote (Tony Kearns @ 22 May 2007,21:43)

Joe mentioned  Vampire185 at the museum at Savigny. Air Britain publication Aviation World published the attached picture of 185 at the museum which is privately owned yet it has the Vampire on display presented to the French Air Force Museum by the Air Corps and what's more appears to be stored in the open. On loan or not wooden fuselage and all that!

bit off topic now, I wonder, would be possible to reclaim it back? I don't know the exact terms of agreement. Hope it's not Vampire for Fouga thing

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
That Fouga was virtually serviceable when it got here, so I was told.It had been belly-landed and struck off charge but when exmained here, it was found to be virtually undamaged.It had been fitted with usable but time-expired engines and other parts. Old sweats told me that it was rapidly "souvenir"-ed when it got here.
regards
GttC

[Tony Kearns]

Hi GttC,
It had no engines when it arrived. A log book was opened for it as 221. I made a note in AE section at the time which stated " Aircraft received from French Air Force, less powerplants and with underbelly damage as result of gear up landing"
I did not see any wings in the Noratlas at the time it was delivered and wonder when they arrived. I cannot trace a return flight which would suggest when they were delivered (but that's nothing new).
Tony K

[clog]

A plane with that much history (contraversy) surely deserves better that lying on a pile with bits and pieces sterwn anound the place, or not?'>

Ah well, it will probbably be restored some day (I hope) and put on a prime location in the museum with its history drawn out on board alongside the plane as mick has done for a few other planes in the museum. (great job Mick!!!)

[Fouga23]

or they could give the cockpit section to me  Been searching for a Fouga cockpit for ages!