SA319 and SA 316B Alouettes

[yeehah1]

23-12-07
Basically...what's the difference between the SA 316B Alouette of the Aer Corps and the SA 319?

Thanks in advance
Liam

[Irish251]

According to the Wikipedia page on the type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Alouette_III the two variants differ as follows:

The SA-316B is powered by a 425 kW (570 shp) Turboméca Artouste IIIB turboshaft engine, with strengthened main and tail rotor for greater performance. The SA-316B was built under licence in India as the HAL Chetak, and again under licence in Romania as the IAR 316.
The SA-319B was a direct development of the SA-316B, it was powered with a 649 kW (870 shp) Turboméca Astazou XIV turboshaft engine, but it was derated to 447 kW (660 hp).

[yeehah1]

24-12-07
Soooo, would it be fair to say that the major differences where internal, rather than external?

I have finally got a kit in 1/48 of an Alouette III that I want ot build in Aer Corps markings. It's a SA 319 Alouette III. I just wanted to get an idea if a conversion could be done and if so, how difficult it might be.

Thanks for the information

Liam
 

[Irish251]

Liam

The engine differences are quite apparent in these two photos.  You can also see how the SA319B installation (although uncowled) resembles that of the Gazelle, which is also Astazou-powered:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1286669/L/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1286366/L/

[Fouga]

Quote (yeehah1 @ 23 Dec. 2007,15:52)

Alouette III that I want ot build in Aer Corps markings.

Just wondering why do you say "Aer Corps"?? Its Air Corps,i just find that rather annoying when people say Aer Corps, reminds me of a Civillian Airline.....

[Tony Kearns]

Fouga , you are quite right. The correct form is Air Corps in the English language and Aer Chor (with fada over the O) in the Irish  language.
Tony K

[yeehah1]

24-12-07
Apolgises for the tipo.
A mestake on my part and that is, afterall, what makes us hooman.

I will, of course, endeevour to use the correct english form form now on.
Tanks for the information, it was very infromative.

Merry Christmas to all at the Air Corps and all on this board.
May it be safe and memorable.
   

Liam

[Tony Kearns]

Quote (yeehah1 @ 24 Dec. 2007,09:21)

24-12-07 Apolgises for the tipo. A mestake on my part and that is, afterall, what makes us hooman. I will, of course, endeevour to use the correct english form form now on. Tanks for the information, it was very infromative. Merry Christmas to all at the Air Corps and all on this board. May it be safe and memorable.     Liam

Yes fine, but suggest more use of the spell/grammar tool.
Tony K

[yeehah1]

Quote (Tony Kearns @ 24 Dec. 2007,12:13)

Quote (yeehah1 @ 24 Dec. 2007,09:21) 24-12-07 Apolgises for the tipo. A mestake on my part and that is, afterall, what makes us hooman. I will, of course, endeevour to use the correct english form form now on. Tanks for the information, it was very infromative. Merry Christmas to all at the Air Corps and all on this board. May it be safe and memorable.   Liam Yes fine, but suggest more use of the spell/grammar tool. Tony K

25-12-07
Merry Christmas Tony.
I will, of course, take your suggestion under advisement. The lightheartedness of my post seems to have been misinterpreted.


However, my spelling and grammer faux pas' aside, both the intended and unintended, I would direct all who would consider a reply to this topic to only do so if they can add to the information I was seeking on the two models of Alouettes that I was asking about.
Pity there isn't a book out there that dealt with such things...would make life so much easier.

And again..thank you to those who actually contributed to this and provided information. Merry Christmas y'all. '>

To err is human...to forgive is divine.

Liam
 

[Fouga23]

Well, if you can find another engine, the conversion wouldn't be too hard. It' very noticeable. They are 2 completely different engines as far as looks is concerned. Same problem with the Alouette 2 model kits  '>

[John K]

Hey Fouga23, sorry for changing the subject but I've just had a peek at your photos of the last Fouga flight. What a fantastic looking little aircraft the Fouga Magister is! I worked on them in the Air Corps from '77-'80 and they still hold a special place in my heart! (sad git!). On my annual pilgrimmage to France earlier this year (I do like to get away with some of the lads from work on our motorbikes every year for a very long weekend) I spotted a couple at various places. One looked like a gate guardian at an airfield by the town of Bourg-en-Bresse, another was at what looked like a scrapyard on the Route Napolean.
Yeehah1, good luck with your model.

[Fouga23]

Quote (John K @ 25 Dec. 2007,08:04)

Hey Fouga23, sorry for changing the subject but I've just had a peek at your photos of the last Fouga flight. What a fantastic looking little aircraft the Fouga Magister is! I worked on them in the Air Corps from '77-'80 and they still hold a special place in my heart! (sad git!). On my annual pilgrimmage to France earlier this year (I do like to get away with some of the lads from work on our motorbikes every year for a very long weekend) I spotted a couple at various places. One looked like a gate guardian at an airfield by the town of Bourg-en-Bresse, another was at what looked like a scrapyard on the Route Napolean. Yeehah1, good luck with your model.

Yeah, I really miss them. They were like my little children. The last flight was aborted due to compressor stall in one engine. So all the people only got to see a last taxi. I was lucky enough to see the last real flight in the morning. I guess the old girl was tired and didn't want to go one last time '> I'm retired now from any active involvement in aviation. I'm only 25 but I have memories to last a lifetime '>

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
Didn't Heller model the standard Alouette in 1/48?
regards
GttC

[yeehah1]

25-12-07
Merry Christmas guys:
GonetotheCanner:
Yes they did, but those kits are rarer than hens teeth but I did manage to get my hands on their SA 319 Alouette III which I plan to convert, if possible, to a 316B as flown by the Air Corps.

Which is why I am looking for guidance...the kits are so rare the job needs to be done right and accurate from the get-go as there will be no second chances. If the two versions are similar enough externally airframe wise, then my major concerns would be the cockpit and the engine.
But I need to know where to start first. This site seemed to be the best place to ask the question  '>

So, thanks again, I do appreciate the help and if anyone can offer further assistance, please do.

Liam

[Fouga23]

Didn't Revell have an Alouette 2 with the Artouste engine? If you can find one of those you can swap engines.