Bush preparations?

[pilatus]

next week George.W.Bush will arriving in ireland.will both the pc9s and marchettis be used to provide aircover?will the giraffe and flycatcher radars and associated weaponary be employed to protect the US envoy?i believe that US F-15s from the uk are going to be flying air cover?also the gasu aircraft will be active.will there be a no flying zone for all commerical and civilian air traffic for the duration of Bush's stay?what other measures are being made airwise? '>

[Frank]

Hi Guys,

Before this thread goes any further  I'm asking you not to post any specific details on the Bush visit security.  General comments only please.


Regards,

Frank.

[n-e-foo]

First of all, I have no information with regard to the plans of the defence forces so everything I say will be speculation. In other words the PC-9's may be armed and airborne. I reckon the F-15's will be off our cost.

I personally wish Bush wasnt coming to town because of the strain on man power and finances its going to put on our security forces.

I assume he will be afforded the security befitting of any world statesman. I fear however that his presence could possibly lead to serious confontation between the Gardai, protesters and god forbid the US secret service - which nobody wants to see, except psychos. I assume that there will be a no fly zone up to a certain height above wherever his current location is.

[FiannaFail]

Frank,
I too have major concerns about this thread and no security information should be printed. Perhaps this thread should be removed!!

I for one would like to welcome George W Bush, leader of the Free World to Ireland.  Pity he can only stay for a short time - a longer visit the next time perhaps after his re-election.

We must stand up with the defender of democracy and not with the views of the crusties and tree huggers that will try to get to spoil this great honour for Ireland.

FiannaFail

[n-e-foo]

FiannaFail, I have long had no doubt that your entire role on this board is one of the satirist. After all, its easier to swallow than the only other explanation.

Tell me, when are you getting your own TV show?

[FiannaFail]

n-e-foo this is a serious issue. I for one do not want some al-Qaeda cell obtaining irish defence force arrangements for President George Bush's visit to Shannon and Dromoland.  The defence of this nation is a serious matter, not a joke as you seem to think as!!
FiannaFail

[Imshi-Yallah]

Since its already in the public realm it can safely be said that the US security services are providing their own surface to air and Air to Air capabilities and the DFs token involvement in AD if any at all wont really be high on any prospective attackers list of concerns

[alpha foxtrot 07]

mabe, if we are really nice, he will leave us some of his UH-60's or even a couple of the great CH-53's.

[n-e-foo]

FiannaFail, do me a favour and don't insult my intelligence.

If anyones making a joke about this topic it's you with your continued presence on this board. Are you still flying the government jet? Or are you posting to us from Liberia on a rare break from protecting our troops from above in our uber secret jets which you spoke of so much only a while ago?

Lets be honest here, the biggest risk (I hasten to ad not the only) during the visit is some scumbags from this country, not some big bad foreigner, breaking a security barrier and getting to within 5 miles of Bush, only to be tackled by the Gardai. If they get within 100 metres of Bush they'll probably wind up being shot... with obvious consequences.

If the unthinkable should happen, i.e. bombings or the like, there is nothing on this board that could aid terrorists in their planning.

I get pissed off with all this talk about al qaeda talk since there has been well known terrorists operating from all over this island for years... or do you need your memory refreshed?

[Snapper]

Fianna Fail

you may wish to welcome the visit of Bush but it seems to me that most people in Ireland - and probably most members of this site - do not agree with you.

His visit has led to an incredible erosion of the civil liberties of Irish citizens in our own country.  
If you're unlucky enough to live in the vicinity of Shannon Airport you now need a pass to travel to & from your own home.  
11 miles of a dual carriageway on a national route are closed for the duration of his visit. WHY?
Thousands of Gardai and soldiers are called up for duty - yet many parts of nearby Limerick city remain a no go zone for Gardai!
If a similar security arrangement was undertaken in the USA for the visit of a foreign leader there would be an outcry.

Leader of the free world my ar*e.

Snapper

[FiannaFail]

Lets get back to the issue - should anyone be allowed to post details of what equipment the Defence forces including the Air Corps will be using in this State Visit and where they are going to be situated? I think not and it wouldn't be allowed in any other country either!

 All branches of our forces will be detailed during this visit and I would expect complete silence on these operations at least until President Bush has left the State!  

I wonder would people be organising marches to Dromoland if bin Laden himself was visiting. Knowing us we wouldn't!  It is well known that there are al-Qaeda supporters in this country.  Ask anyone in military intelligence if you don't believe me!!
FiannaFail

[n-e-foo]

Look - how many ways does this need to be spelt out to you?

The Air Corps have a finite number of aircraft, their roles and capabilities are all well known. If some dolt doesnt know what they are and wants to find out, theres a little secret on the internet called google which will tell him all he needs to know. Its the same with the rest of the defence forces - but we havent even commented on what they may be doing!

And you want a media blackout for the visit of the so-called "leader of the free world"... jesus man you really do have a keen sense of irony.

You are on dangerous ground my friend - are you saying the people who don't want Bush here support (even tacitely) Bin Laden?

You're either deranged or a comic... I'm now more undecided than ever before. Go on tell me I don't value the defence of this nation and then go on to post how you remember flying the lead Fouga Magister that escorted the pope into land.

I'm surprised you havent got yourself a new nickname on this board so your posts would have some value attached to them.

I'm sorry to insult you, but dismissing anyone who doesnt want Bush here as a tree hugger/ Bin Laden sympathiser was really pushing your luck

[Frank]

Hi FF,

The information posted here so far is nothing compared to what the national newspapers have published.

And please, keep the leader of the free world stuff to yourself, this thread is about the (basic, non-specific) details of his security while here and not world politics.  If you're not going to stay on thread then don't post.


Regards,

Frank.

[Tony Kearns]

For God's sake Fianna Fail chill out and have a look at Irish Military Online
Tony K

[sealion]

He isn't wanted there. Mods would have him banned in less than a week.