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Offline Frank

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« on: February 05, 2004, 10:44:46 am »
Hi Guys,

Sorry for shouting but I had to get your attention.

As is mentioned in the board rules..........

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5. Please refrain from announcing details in advance of foreign military aircraft movements, arrival times, location and the duration of their stay. Posting of this information by members of the Defence Forces / Air Corps may result in disciplinary action by the military authorities against the person who posts such details.


I'll ask you all again to not mention details of foreign aircraft at Baldonnel in advance of their arrival or while they are on the ground, you never know who could be looking:


http://www.abbeyshrule.xpt.net/index.php?showtopic=19

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There is a US Navy Hercules at Baldonnel right now.

Details to follow.


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Where are the plough shares boys and girls when you need them?

How can we get into Baldonnel to disarm these war machines, anybody know what the security is like there?



Keep it clean guys, we don't want a hatchet job in Baldonnel.


Regards,

Frank.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2004, 06:42:39 pm »
Frank I would hope that the Air Corps has at least tightened
up the security around Baldonnel for such events of foreign air craft flying. I think in general security should be the same at all times. I certainly agree on what you are stating!!!! '<img'>
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2004, 09:38:32 pm »
Details of military aircraft movements at Irish airports are already freely available on another Irish aviation web site. This week alone there have been reports of 3 C-130s at Shannon, a Portuguese Air Force bizjet at Dublin and the US Navy C-130 at Baldonnel - I don't see what security threat is posed by these reports - or similar reports posted to this site.  

just my 2 bobs worth,
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 10:16:29 am »
Hi Snapper,

I've no problem with details being announced after the aircraft departs, it's people giving details in advance of the aircraft's arrival and also giving details of the location and duration of the stay that I have a problem with.

I have been told by people in the Air Corps that this practice is frowned upon, and besides, as the owner of the website I am legally responsible for the contents of this website & the message board.

The last thing I want is someone burying the hatchet in the nose of a US Hercules at Baldonnel and saying he or she got the info from this website!

Surely you can see it from my point of view?


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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2004, 01:28:01 pm »
I can frank but i think we should moniter the other forum!
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2004, 06:52:03 am »
i agree with frank, we all should monitor the site and if we see any post mentioning the arrival or departure of aircraft we should PM frank or silver so they can delete the post.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2004, 12:20:42 pm »
I agree!! Ive stopped posting anything to do with A/C that are currently at the Don!! Its OK in retrospect but "IF" something ever happened , god forbid, it will make life a lot harder for everyone ane shut this and other sites down for good!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2004, 03:11:15 pm »
Hear hear Frank,
I have been very concerned for some time about these postings - I written about them in the past and got abused in the process.  International terrorists with not exclude Ireland if it suits them. We must be very careful what information is released on this site!
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2004, 12:16:53 am »
For once i actually am gonna side with FF on this issue, FF nevermind International terrorism try "Internal"


This really does worry me! ':angry:'
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2004, 09:22:32 am »
fwiw

Its not just web sites. There is a mailing list that you can join that will give you almost every arrival and dept for irish airports including the don. Joining the mailing list is easy and no checking is done.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2004, 05:31:15 pm »
Hi Guys!

Ya good idea Frank, i can tel you that the security in the Don is getting tighter and tighter, but as always where there is a will there is a way!, but as much as possible all aircraft are very well protected against such attacks!

Regards P.D.C.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2004, 05:32:15 pm »
Hi Guys!

Ya good idea Frank, i can tel you that the security in the Don is getting tighter and tighter, but as always where there is a will there is a way!, but as much as possible all aircraft are very well protected against such attacks!

Regards P.D.C. ':cool:'
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2004, 06:05:28 pm »
Not a truer word spoken Fouga!! Just look at what happened in Shannon last year. '<img'>
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2004, 07:04:35 pm »
Hi tashkurgan,

While I can't control other lists and I not to pushed about them anyway, my big concern is what happens on this website. What is said on the message board can potentially force the closure of the entire website.


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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2004, 10:41:56 pm »
The Irish Spotters mailing list is tame in comparison to some UK based lists and a quick search on Google will show sites for Holland, Belgium and Germany with comprehensive lists of movements at all the main operational military bases in Europe.

If a serious terrorist decides to target an aircraft or airfield there are far more detailed sites for them to view than this one.  Paranoia regarding security seems to have replaced common sense - does anyone really believe that Ireland is less safe from terrorism now compared to 20 years ago when war was raging just across the border?

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