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We have no real defence if we're attacked: Smith
« on: May 16, 2004, 08:01:06 pm »
We have no real defence if we're attacked: Smith
 
Geraldine Collins - Dail Correspondent


IRELAND has no defence against the type of terrorist activity that was carried out in Madrid recently, Defence Minister Michael Smith told the Dail yesterday.

He was answering Labour deputy Joe Sherlock who asked what could be done if there was an alert that a hijacked aircraft flying over the Atlantic was heading in this direction and threatening to crash into a key installation or a city centre area.

Mr Smith said some of the richest countries in the world, "with defence budgets which would shock deputies and myself, are unable to deal with the type of circumstance deputy Sherlock has outlined".

The minister said he did not want to speculate on such matters.

"It is clear we have limited ground-to-air and air defence capacity.

"It is also recognised that nothing could be done to defend against the type of terrorist activity carried out in Madrid."

He said that that scenario was very far removed from that envisaged in the scenario described by Mr Sherlock.

"However, it illustrates the variety of challenges that can arise in terms of a terrorist attack.

"We live in a community of nations where terrorist attacks are usually not just a problem for one particular country but for the world community."

Mr Smith said they were very serious matters.

He also said that the largest and richest countries in the world were grappling with how to confront such situations.

He hoped the scenario described by Mr Sherlock did not happen in this country.

"The level of threat to this country, as defined by the Garda Siochana which is responsible for this area, is nothing like that."

Mr Sherlock said in the event of an attack such as he mentioned, all that could be done would be to appeal to some other country, probably Great Britain, to intercept the hijacked plane on our behalf.

"I am not suggesting we spend large sums of money on acquiring fighter aircraft.

"However, we should have some sort of policy for providing protection against an airborne attack," said Mr Sherlock.

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2004, 11:49:29 pm »
The following is an extract from the text of the reply given by the Minister for Defence to a question about Ireland's air defence cababilities in the Dail on 11 May.  As such, the information is already in the public domain.


"A key issue in detection and prevention is the availability and effective analysis of information and intelligence.  The likelihood of a terrorist threat to Ireland is being continually assessed and there is ongoing contact and very good co-operation between the Garda and the Defence Forces in this regard.  The advice available to me suggests that there is no reason to believe at this time that Ireland or Irish airspace is a direct target."

"However, it is prudent that we take precautions and keep matters under continuous review.  The assets available to the Defence Forces are related to the level of threat and are considered appropriate in this regard.  An air defence capability requires the integrated use of aircraft, radar and air and ground based weapons systems.  The Defence Forces have a limited ground-to-air capacity, and that has always been the position.  The new trainer aircraft will enhance the airborne elements of our air defence capability.  However, we will still continue to operate a limited air-to-air and air-to-ground defence capability."

"The Air Corps has a total of 21 fixed wing aircraft and 15 helicopters in the fleet.  Outside that it would be inappropriate of me to go into detail about the readiness, deployment arrangements or speed of deployment or redeployment of air defence assets.  However, all aircraft have adequate numbers of operationally trained aircrew who can operate from Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, which is available on a 24 hour basis as required, and that the shortest call-out time applicable in the Air Corps in certain circumstances is two minutes."

"The role of the Pilatus aircraft being acquired for the Air Corps is as a pilot trainer aircraft to train Air Corps pilots in basic flying and in air combat techniques.  The aircraft can also be armed with machine guns and rocket systems."

"The Defence Forces have one Giraffe mobile air defence radar with a range of up to 40 km and eight Flycatcher mobile air defence fire control radars with a range of 20 km.  Twenty-four Bofors L70 air defence guns were purchased from the Royal Netherlands Air Force following the events of 11 September 2001.  These weapons are controlled directly by the Flycatcher radars.  The projected capability of these guns allows for the simultaneous protection of four airports plus a reserve.  The Defence Forces also have six Bofors RBS missile launchers for use with the Giraffe radar.  The radar systems have the capacity to detect overflights by aircraft and the air
defence regiment is fully trained in the use of the guns.  The weapons systems on the new Pilatus aircraft will provide a further capability in terms of air defence."

"Ireland has traditionally had a limited military air capability. Aspirations to broaden the range of available air based capabilities are understandable but have to be balanced against real world constraints. Given the enormous costs involved, few small countries possess the ability to provide a comprehensive air based defence capability.  The choice must tthen lie between maintaining an essentially token force to address all dimensions of national defence or seeking to perform a selected range of tasks to a professional standard.  The latter option has been the one chosen in Ireland."

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2004, 12:52:50 pm »
What aircraft can be launched in two minutes
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2004, 05:08:04 pm »
Quote (Short finals @ 27 May 2004,14:49)
 However, all aircraft have adequate numbers of operationally trained aircrew who can operate from Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, which is available on a 24 hour basis as required, and that the shortest call-out time applicable in the Air Corps in certain circumstances is two minutes."

from reading the passage i would guess the corps would expect some thing was going to happen and then have aircraft on 2minute readiness as it says avaible on a 24hour basis as required and then it says applicable in certain circumstances.The type on readiness right now would still be the marchetti as the pilots are better trained on them at the present minute than they are on the new pilatus pc9.
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