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Offline p.diddy.cool

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« on: October 15, 2003, 10:57:55 pm »
Well the word on the grape vine is that the second s-61 lease has been agreed..... can anyone confirm?

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2003, 08:56:48 pm »
hopefully i can answer some of the posed questions on this thread.

there is a possibility of the aer corps leasing a 2nd S-61 from CHC Ireland Ltd, as a troop transporter, but nothing confirmed at the moment. to be based at the don.

257 in sligo has the exact same automated systems and avionics package as the on-line aircraft at shannon, waterford and dublin.

it has slightly different adelt system , winch, and the FLIR is a later addition to the ones fitted on the other aircraft.

i think the reason for the possible leasing of the 2nd 61 is to get the necessary service backup, (qualified engineers already in place) replacement parts, if needed, from the pool of parts carried by CHC Ireland for the 61 fleet.

this is the reason these aircraft spend very little time off line and not like the military, where they buy X amount of aircraft Y amount of parts, when the parts dry up, the aircraft are canabalised, mothballed, and pushed into a corner. The dauphins are a good example of that, the fleet is coming to the end of their life span because of no spare parts for that particular aer corps model and these are half the age of some of the S- 61 aircraft based in Ireland, which will be in service for the forseeable future.

257 is an all weather SAR heli. Its capabilities at the moment
are limited only by half a crew being on board and mismanagement by certain individuals in the aer corps. things have got nasty and personal and CRM has long gone. whats going on there, in sligo, at the moment is irresponsible and putting peoples lives at risk including the general public who might be unfortunate enough to need the service. if it continues it is possible that the aer corps will be saying bye bye to SAR and all SAR will be carried out by the Coastguard.

we have been reading about it , in the papers for the last month or so and I am surprised nobody on this bulletin board brought it up for discussion. except for one individual who hinted at it (P.Diddy)

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2003, 11:06:17 pm »
While I would welcome the AC getting more medium-lift helis, I think this way of doing it (leasing) is wrong.

Why?
Because from what I have read, the original S-61 lease is costing €16 million !
If that figure is correct, it's madness.

The money would be better spent on actually buying helis, not leasing !

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2003, 11:32:09 pm »
Welcome to the forum Pink Panther.
Always good to read solid info about the Corps !

I have read about the ongoing "dispute" in Sligo.
To be honest, I thought that it would be resolved quicky.
I agree wholeheartedly that the situation in Sligo is both irresponsible and disgraceful.


I wonder is there a hidden agenda at play here (i.e. to give the Coast Guard full SAR responsibility) ?

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2003, 11:10:24 pm »
hi silver,

yes this is true and in fact the current sar verion of the S 61 the air corps is running out of sligo has more modern equipment on it than the one in shannon( FLIR.. ETC), and in three years they can just take it back with all the gear on it! well i suppose in that space that gear will then be out dated,,lol, but its the Air Corps way.. do it wrong.wrong.wrong and maybe get it right some time.... Big Maybe!,

straying of the topic did you hear about the s 61 in shannon landing with its gear retracted about 1 - 2 months ago!...

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2003, 08:54:45 pm »
It is said that certain "personnel" difficulties have arisen at Bal / Sligo, in that a large number of winch crews have been removed from their positions, and posted to other duties. As it stands, the Air Corps are supplying only the "S" out of SAR. As the Panther put it, the CRM element of the job is non existant.  I am surprised that the matter has not been on the front page of the national papers. The word disgrace does not adequately cover what has happened.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2003, 10:03:51 am »
It appears from recent happenings at the Don that the AC will  have SAR helicopters, but no one to operate all that new equipment. Thats unless they train Pilots as winch men / operators / medical profesionals / thermal operators/ GP Crew etc.

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2003, 11:17:58 pm »
Excuse my ignorance, but what is "CRM" ?

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2003, 10:07:25 am »
Let the Air Corps have some work to do ! pilots have always been the same great when your on their side getting their aircraft " S" but  don't cross them !

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2003, 09:34:25 am »
silver
the term CRM means Crew Resource Management which basically interprets as getting the best out of your entire crew, (and i mean entire crew including REAR crew).I think in the Sligo case, the CRM stands for Crew Resource MISMANAGEMENT.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2003, 02:04:41 pm »
Michael Smih and Bertie putting the Air Corps first again!!
Lets all be proud of their great support and work!
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2003, 06:27:22 pm »
Guys,
Have a read of this thread from irishaviation.net - Serious stuff !!!

http://irishaviation.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2003, 02:56:17 pm »
FF, seeing as you have all the inside info., how long is the lease, where will it be based, is it for SAR, is it from CHC?

Hope you don't mind me asking '<img'>

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2003, 07:46:48 pm »
Jasus, Silver, that is a site for avaitors who only do their flyin' with a left wing!!!!! '<img'>
Ireland, no jets, no future!

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2003, 06:06:13 pm »
Minister Michael Smith will be making a formal announcement on this point shortly.  I certainly do not want to steal this great publicity from him!!  I am sure you can appreciate that.
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