Fouga details?

[Fouga]

welcome to the board fouga23. If you talk to frank or check the Gallery i think ul find whatyour lookin for.

[John K]

Didn't the French come up with a Mk2 version that had ejection seats and a more stepped cockpit? Just before the Alpha jet came into service, it was probably not as good.

[Fouga23]

@ Fouga: Thanks for the welcome. I like your nickname '> I didn't find what I was looking for in the gallery, but Silver might be able to help me.
@John K: Their was one normal German Fouga that had Martin Baker ejection seats. these were especially made for testing but never went into production. Another one was the "super magister", a one-off prototype that also never reached production. It had ejection seats and a one piece windscreen among other things. the one you are talking about is the Fouga 90. A competitor for the Alpha-jet. One was built and flown, but no orders followed and the project was abandoned. It is now in France being restored to flying condition by a private museum. It has a modern cockpit, ejection seats and the instructor sits higher then the student like in the Alpha-Jet or Hawk. hope this helps a bit.

[Fouga]

Just saw the Fouga 90 in pictures on Yahoo! definately has the looks of the Hawk, Fouga (obviously), and Alpha Jet rolled into one.

[sealion]

Fouga 90

http://aircraftstories.free.fr/mono/fouga90/fouga90.htm

[Stinger]

I thought our fouga's were called super magistrers

[Fouga23]

As far as I know that isn't an official name. They are just normal Fouga CM-170 Magisters but with marboré VI engines instead of the old II

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi all
The larger tanks were used for ferry flights only. The "Super" Magister was so called because it had the 1033-lb static thrust Marbore VI F-2 and was thus designated the CM 170-2.It was said to achieve 360 kts with these.The earlier Fougas had 880-lb engines.
regards
GttC

[Fouga]

did the Fouga 90 suffer like the other Fouga as in severely lax air time without the tip tanks? Remember reading it in the recent paperback celebrating 100years of aviation that air time in the fougas without tip tanks was very low

[GoneToTheCanner]

Hi there
perhaps the Fouga 90 had tanks in the wings or a bigger airframe tank.We used to time Fouga flights at 90 minutes max. Any later and you had a glider.
regards
GttC

[Fouga23]

90 minutes sounds about right for a CM170. Fuel indeed isn't the Fouga's best quality. The Fouga90 has a 660liter tank (174USG) and 2 Turbomeca  Astafan IIG engines. range is about 1850KM and an endurance of 2.30 hours. cruising speed is 350knots.

[Buran]

i found this quote on this website:

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The Magister design did not change much throughout its production life. The most significant upgrade, the CM-170-2, was fitted with Turbomecca Marbore VI engines, which gave the airplane a 350-pound increase in thrust over the earlier Marbore IIs, resulting in a higher useful load and greater climb rate. The more powerful engines were also used in the CM-170-3 Super Magister, operated by the Irish Air Corps as a light attack/trainer well into the 1990s.

can anyone comment on this -3 version?

[John K]

I think I've still got my notes from when I was an apprentice on CM170s in Baldonnel, they're up in the loft, I must dig them out to refresh my memory! Yes it was the Fouga 90 I was thinking of and with turbofan engines it would have a better range for the same fuel load anyway-even without tip tanks.

[Fouga23]

Quote (Buran @ 21 Mar. 2005,04:45)

i found this quote on this website: Quote The Magister design did not change much throughout its production life. The most significant upgrade, the CM-170-2, was fitted with Turbomecca Marbore VI engines, which gave the airplane a 350-pound increase in thrust over the earlier Marbore IIs, resulting in a higher useful load and greater climb rate. The more powerful engines were also used in the CM-170-3 Super Magister, operated by the Irish Air Corps as a light attack/trainer well into the 1990s. can anyone comment on this -3 version?

never heard of it, but I'll look it up

[pilatus]

on page 75 of the air corps celebrates 100years of flight there is a pic of fouga219in the top right hand corner without its tip tanks and it says;"On only two days in 1998 Fouga219 flew without its normal-tip tanks.Its endurance was reduced severly!"