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Offline Genosse

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« on: March 03, 2005, 07:38:58 pm »
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"Stay-Bright" Air Corps Collar Badge with the legend in Irish: "Forfaire agus Tairseact" meaning: "Vigilant and Loyal"


This is the information I found on Frank´s site about the phoenix. Does anyone knows more about this badge like history, origin, etc.?

Ty in advance ...  '<img'>
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2005, 06:24:45 pm »
Anyone? '<img'>
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2005, 07:22:40 pm »
Who told you that it was a Phoenix?
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2005, 09:13:36 pm »
Hi Genosse
I don't quite know of the origin of the collar badge, but there used to be a huge wooden one in the Don. It was known to a few as the "Chicken".
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2005, 10:12:52 pm »
The "chicken" as you name it is used in the crests of many air forces around the world e.g. Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan etc.
I agree it's not much seen in European air forces but as far as I've been told by the Egyptian AF it is a preybird wich stands for defending it's territory.

Maybe this is of any help.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2005, 10:25:51 am »
I've always been told it was the Phoenix to represent the rising of the Irish Aircorps from the ashes of the RFC that left the don in 1922??
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2005, 01:02:57 pm »
No, it's a Dodo.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2005, 01:04:26 pm »
Only joking! It's an Eagle!
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2005, 12:26:40 pm »
Ty a lot for your replies so far ...  '<img'>

By accident I found following information about the badge:

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Collar Badges  -  Air Corps  

The Air Corps collar badge has remained the same  design since its introduction in 1924.  The first badge was a solid (non voided) type in silver for officers and brass for enlisted ranks.   The solid badge had a short life and was replaced by the voided version which was worn until 1942.  In that year officers changed to a cloth badge and enlisted ranks wore bronze.  The cloth badge only lasted two years and officers adopted the metal bronze. The next change came in 1958 when a bright brass was introduced. Then in the early 1970s the staybrite badges appeared.   Since 1994 the collar badge has been chrome.   This badge is worn in pairs facing outwards.

Source: irishmilitaryinsignia.com

So what´s the original Irish link to the phoenix then?

Sláinte!  '<img'>
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2005, 07:35:01 pm »
it once flew over the Green Isle?? '<img'>

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Genosse, if you address this same question on Irishinsignia to "the Flight" he'll be the man to answer the question.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2005, 08:37:30 pm »
Quote (Guinness @ 07 Mar. 2005,11:35)
it once flew over the Green Isle?? '<img'>

Guinness.

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Genosse, if you address this same question on Irishinsignia to "the Flight" he'll be the man to answer the question.

Rgrt! Will do so ...

Ty, Guinness! '<img'>
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2005, 12:16:29 pm »
The Phoenix (if that is the creature depicted on the badge) is a common symbol for resurrection or the creation a new entity from al old regime so its use in the IAC badge would not be surprising.

However the word Phoenix in Ireland can have diverse origins. In the case of the best known landmark 'Phoenix Park' it has nothing to do with the bird but rather is likely to arise from years of linguistic transformation of the Irish placename 'Finn uisce' or 'bright water' presumably referring to a local stream once of significance to the early settlers  of the area. So origins of insignia, titles and terms is a fascinating if inexact science.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2005, 07:14:17 am »
Quote (202 @ 09 Mar. 2005,04:16)
The Phoenix (if that is the creature depicted on the badge) is a common symbol for resurrection or the creation a new entity from al old regime so its use in the IAC badge would not be surprising.

However the word Phoenix in Ireland can have diverse origins. In the case of the best known landmark 'Phoenix Park' it has nothing to do with the bird but rather is likely to arise from years of linguistic transformation of the Irish placename 'Finn uisce' or 'bright water' presumably referring to a local stream once of significance to the early settlers  of the area. So origins of insignia, titles and terms is a fascinating if inexact science.

Wow, that´s what I call pretty interesting ... ty for the information about it, 202!  '<img'>



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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2005, 05:27:18 pm »
Forget about a phoenix. It is a John K said, an Eagle. It was first mooted in late 1923 in conference and by early 1924 the badge depicting an ancient Irish eagle mounted above the globe had been agreed and dates from this time.I am somewhat disappointed by the tone of your website depicting disrespect to the national flag with drink etc defacing the nationasl colours. Is this an OIRISH thing. I am surprise that none of our Defence Force posters (regular and reserve) have not remarked on this on the forum Any comments from anyone?
Tony Kearns (thats my real name what's yours?)
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2005, 06:29:55 am »
Tony,

with all respect, but I don't see the point that you're making.
To my oppinion , no one on this board has disrespect or whatsoever to the Irish colours.
The are even proud on their defence force, and let's be real, what's there to be proud about?
This is not hard ment but can you give me an address where people talk with the same pride and respect about old planes like the Fouga, A-III etc as here on this board.

There is, to my knowledge, no other forum where people talk this way about a small Air Corps / Force.
And is it possible that you read the selfcritesim of the Irish ( and a Clog ) as disrespect?


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