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Offline Genosse

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2005, 09:43:51 am »
Quote (Tony Kearns @ 12 Mar. 2005,09:27)
Forget about a phoenix. It is a John K said, an Eagle. It was first mooted in late 1923 in conference and by early 1924 the badge depicting an ancient Irish eagle mounted above the globe had been agreed and dates from this time.I am somewhat disappointed by the tone of your website depicting disrespect to the national flag with drink etc defacing the nationasl colours. Is this an OIRISH thing. I am surprise that none of our Defence Force posters (regular and reserve) have not remarked on this on the forum Any comments from anyone?
Tony Kearns (thats my real name what's yours?)

@ Mr. Kearns

I´ve to thank you twice! '<img'>

First of all I like to thank you for giving this valuable information about the eagle ... I´ve been told so far that the being in the badge was an phoenix ...

Secondly I like to thank you for visiting our site.  

Although I'm sorry to read that you feel offended by the way we used the Irish flag. Believe me when I say that it was never our intention to do so.

In a point of fact I´m a member of a bunch of flight simulation fans who are in some way related to Ireland. This group isn´t as organized as other "squadrons" with ranks like C.O. and X.O. ... after all we think it´s just another PC game that we fly together in terms of enjoyment of virtual comradeship.

Of course I agree with you when you claim that pint has nothing to do with the Irish colours. I´ve to admit we played a bit with this stereotype in order to show that our group of pilots doesn´t belong to the above mentioned serious squads.

Maybe you can help me to find/create a graphic to show the visitors of our site that we don´t belong to these serious ones but have some kind of relationship to the Green Island? Your support would be much appreciated, Mr. Kearns ...  

I do regret if anyone of you feels offended by the way we used the Irish colours. We didn´t mean to disrespect them at all ...

Sláinte, Mr. Kearns!

Frank Assmus (there you go)


@Guinness

Well, I´ve been aware of the fact that there´s always some kind of sensitivity when it comes to national symbols. Even in my own country people react differently when e.g. the National anthem is played or the flag is hoisted.

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"In meinem Staate kann jeder nach seiner Façon selig werden."  - In my country everybody can be blissful at his own will.

King of Prussia Friedrich II 1740

I´d keep it this way and show respect to everyone´s opinion ... you don´t need to share it tho ...  ;)

Ty, Gents!




You want to fly the Irish colours during WWII? Then pay http://www.fighting-irish.org a visit! '<img'>

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2005, 10:54:54 am »
Tony,

sorry for my comment but I thought you're talking about this site.

I'll have a closer look at Genosses site to reach a verdict.

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2005, 01:41:49 pm »
Hello Frank,
Thank you for a most courteous reply. There are very clear cut procedures for displaying our national colours, including that it should never be defaced in any form. An example,during the recent football tournaments the Brewery Guinness, not to be confused with Karel (Guinness on this forum) sent many banners around the Pubs and bars in Ireland. It was the Irish colours defaced with the words Guinness etc. most of the customers in my local pub protested and it was quickly and quitely removed and we all got on with the football. The flag symbalises the hoped uniting of the minds and aspirations of our divided country by peaceful and democratic methods. Please do not deface it.
I, being from the older generation found the explanation of your web site fascinating as I am, to say the least, only slightly computer literate. I wish you success in your endeavours. The computer generated illustrations of the Hurricane 2c's are compelling. If you would really like to have them finished as authentic Irish AIr Corps Hurricanes you are welcome to send me a PM and I will explain.
Slan fada,
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2005, 01:45:52 pm »
Thank you Guinness,
Tony K

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2005, 04:04:29 pm »
If you wish to express you opinion please do so without being abusive or having to resort to bad language - Frank (Mod)

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2005, 04:15:26 pm »
Besetning..................
First mail and this reply '<img'>

You're not making yourself popular in the first place.
Mr Kearns is on this board since ages and you're new.

Please make your point !!!
And if you can't........... PO !! you've said it yourself
 
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2005, 04:47:41 pm »
Besetning,
What a wonderful command of language,very couragous to hide behind anonmity.
I would request Frank to remove this from the forum.
Tony K

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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2005, 05:07:00 pm »
Hi Tony,

Thank you for the information you provided about so called abuses of the "flag".

My first inclination was to tell you to eat more fiber and that "besetning" was right on the mark. I won't, you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.

A bit about me, 52 years old. Viet Nam veteran, blue collar working stiff and family man. No college degree, but I did manage to get 3 years of college before financial obligations decided my future for me.

I am a US citizen. If you want to see abuses of flag display, you do not have to look far in my part of the world. I see them on a daily basis here in the states.

As for your comment above, I am a member of the group you questioned, as is Frank. We have several native born Irish gents in the mix. Our group is rather unique and composed of gentlemen of a like mind from all over Europe and the US. We are there for the comeraderie first and the game second.

As for Ireland? I went on a 10 day visit to that wonderful country in '98. I went in December so there would not be as many "rude yanks" to contend with. My visit was memorable and most enjoyable. I sat in more pubs than I can remember and was TOTALLY impressed by the open friendship displayed by the people. My roots are scandinavian. My people helped settle Ireland.

Back the issue at hand, I find it interesting that with all of the native born Irishmen in our little group, NONE have seen fit to comment in the manner to which you have. Our native born gents hail not only from Ireland, but from all parts of the globe as well. That flag belongs to the people. The people are entitled to their opinions and differences.

Frank is one of the most gentle and helpful men that I have ever had the pleasure to meet via cyberspace. He will go the extra mile for anyone. I assure you that what he says is what he means. He has NEVER demonstrated any disrespect or meanness of spirit in the 2 years that I have beeen acquainted with him. ( unless he is on your "six", then you better have your ducks in a row or he will fill your virtual plane FULL of virtual holes. LOL).

I suggest to you, Tony, that this matter is but a "tempest in a teapot". I can also give you a link to a site that has the Irish Flag made into swimsuits for ladies and gents. Would you complain to them also?

We are proud of Frank's efforts on our behalf.

Thanks gents for the use of your forum, I now return you to regularly scheduled broadcasting.

Sincerely,
William Barkley Palm III
Fort Worth, TEXAS
(Yes, that is my full name. My father had no imagination.)
I turned in all my guns and all I got was these lousy leg irons.

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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2005, 05:58:29 pm »
Hi Guys,

I leave the board alone for a few hours and it falls apart!

Can we please stay on topic about the Air Corps badge and stop taking pot shots at each other about the incorrect use of the flag.

If you wish to discuss the correct or incorrect uses for the flag please feel free to start a new thread in the Hangar.

Any further posts about the flag in this thread will be removed, please also refrain from using bad language or abusing other members of the board, you'll only end up getting banned.


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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2005, 06:10:26 pm »
Thanks Frank and Tony.

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